PG: Parker, Hill, Vaughn
SG: Ginobili, Barry
SF: Bowen, Udoka
PF: Duncan, Bonner,
C: Oberto, Ian,
Rookies: Hairston, Gist
Our Free Agents: Finley, Horry, Thomas, Stoudamire
Projected Free Agent: Swingman/Big
We have 11 players pretty much set on the roster, unless someone like Bonner get's traded, which I doubt.
Horry just mentioned he wants to return, even at the minimum. The Spurs want Kurt Thomas back. Finley could retire or could come back to the league. He has mentioned he would like to stay with San Antonio if he decides to come back.
Thus, if the Spurs sign all three that would give us 14 players, and one slot left. I assume that would be for a free agent swingman. Thus, Hairston and Gist are out of luck, which would upset me. I at least want one.
But, if the Spurs bring back only Thomas and Horry, then we have two slots open for a JR Smith and hopefully one our 2nd round picks.
Or, the Spurs could possibly just bring back Thomas, allow both 2nd rounders to stay, and bring aboard a free agent, which I think would be the best scenario.
PG: Parker, Hill, Vaughn
SG: Smith, Ginobili, Hairston
SF: Bowen, Udoka, Gist
PF: Duncan, Ian, Bonner
C: Oberto, Thomas, Ian
The Spurs keep their core of players. Add an athletic swingman who can drop buckets and stop those dull moments on offense. We get to develop our younger talent at the D-League and make sure nobody can snatch them from us. We get to develop Ian and get him rolling in the rotation. And, we address our issue with the back-up point guard in Hill.
Thoughts?
I want to roll the dice and go young. The team would have had a great shot at making the finals if Manu had been healthy this post-season.
That being said, Bowen, Barry, Finley and Horry are all going to be a year older. I just want the team to cut losse of Horry and Finley and go with developing the young guys so they are ready to play like the young 'uns up in Boston were in the Finals.
Having another Finley/Barry/Udoka combo for the 2/3 spots would be a disaster... we need to freshen up... and since we didnt take an atheltic wing with our first rounder, we need to fill that need whether it be JR Smith/Kellena Azubuike or heck id take Ricky Davis over Finley at this point.
Good thread. I was just figuring this out myself.
With the Spurs drafting three domestic picks, there is a bit of a roster crunch now. Out of your scenarios, I think the one to go with is the final one. Use the entire MLE on a starting caliber swingman. Then that'd be the extent of the offseason.
If the Spurs want to bring back Horry, it'd probably cost them Gist. While Gist isn't promised to even be halfway decent, he looks like at least a good player to have in the pipeline.
Basically this offseason the Spurs could do the following:
Michael Finley turns into MLE Scoring Guard Free Agent
Damon Stoudamire turns into George Hill
DerMarr Johnson turns into Malik Hairston
Robert Horry turns into James Gist
It's not a huge splash but I think it'd be good enough. It'd force Pop's hand to go with Hill and Mahinmi (at least in theory). It'd give the Toros two players to try to mold all year. It'd make Bonner worth having on the team. And it'd up the level of athleticism and youth on the roster without breaking too much of the chemistry and experience.
P.S.
Oh and if for some reason Kurt Thomas gets a better deal elsewhere, you can fall back to Horry.
not a bad solution
the spurs could also get rid of bonner if they think he'll not provide what they want
i"m not that high on bonner despite he isn't a bad player
a good scenario is to sign a wing player with the MLE , bring back horry , trading vaughn and bonner and see who can make a roster spot between gist , hairston and other summer's league players
after the summer league it will be easier to see next year roster
Would like too see Javtokas in there.
Anybody think it's a crazy idea to try to pull a sign-and-trade with Thomas? I haven't really thought about numbers or who all they could take (E.g., trade for someone like Artest and use the MLE for a big)
Yes, I think that's crazy. Because nobody is going to pay Kurt Thomas the kind of dollars that sign-and-trades are designed to provide for the traded player, never mind give up something in trade on top of that.
Excellent thread.
Boy, those 15 spots fill up fast don't they. This kind of makes me reconsider my stance on bringing back Horry - especially if Gist proves that he has what it takes to make an NBA roster. I would be extremely ecstatic with the following line-up in '08/'09:
PG: Parker, Hill, Barry
SG: J.R. Smith, Ginobili, Barry
SF: Bowen, Udoka
PF: Duncan, Mahinmi, Horry
C: KT, Oberto, Mahinmi
IR: Hairston, Gist, Vaughn
Has Udoka opted out?
You inadvertently listed Ian twice in your last scenario El_Mago.
I believe Brent Barry will be in the mix.
He doesn't have an opt-out. He's under contract for one more season.
is this realistic?
midseason roster:
C- Mahinmi, Oberto, Thomas
PF- Duncan, Gist, Bonner
SF- Bowen, Udoka, Sanikidze
SG- Ginobili, Hairston, Barry
PG- Parker, Hill, Vaughn
unlikely, isnt it?
I can see Hairston not make the team and Finley coming back.
I prefer this lineup to the other one you posted with the over the hill veterans.
you never know what could happen if Sanikidze shows up big time in summer league
How many rookies do you think is the limit? Or would he cut out Gist and/or Hairston?
While I'd like to see if the Spurs can make something out of Gist's physical gifts and potential, he's definitely on the bubble.
Hairston even more so, as it could be the case that he was the afterthought, asset-wise, in that Spurs-Suns trade.
Well if Sanikidze played so well that it would be a risk to have him sign a long term deal in Europe as his summer league play would be his audition for euro scouts also . . . I guess either he would make Hairston or Gist look really bad (either one could pull a Marcus Williams) or maybe the Spurs talk one into going to France or somewhere else in Europe like they tried to convince Williams to do last year.
Some big ifs there, like Sanikidze first playing in SL without shattering his ankles stepping off the team bus, and then of course him shining . . . but hey, as KG yelps . . . "ANYTHING IS POOOSSSSIIIIIBBBBBLLLLLEEEE!!!!!"
This is a good thread. Thanks for posting it. Everyone is basically posting the same roster, interchanging a name or two. And that's probably correct. But I'd like to see the Spurs aim a little higher, even though I think the staple roster that's being bandied about is good enough to win a le, provided everyone is healthy.
For me aiming higher would mean trying to use the trade exception and/or looking for a Bonner trade partner.
To my mind, trading Bonner is a real possibilty. Not only because he is a questionable fit, but because it makes sense to open up the roster spot he occupies. I'm not sure if we could get anything back, but I'd try. I wonder if Golden State would take him for part of their massive trade exception? he might work in that offense and he had a big game there last year. Maybe they were fooled. Anyway, I'm for this more radical roster:
Parker, Hill, Vaughn
Azubuike, Ginobli, Hairston (Austin)
Bowen, Udoka, Barry, Shawne Williams/Renaldo Balkman (TE)
Duncan, Mahinmi,
Thomas, Oberto, Javtokas/Foyle/Benson
Let Gist walk and play Udoka at the 4 in small ball sets--he's a solid rebounder and does as good or better a job as Bonner at spreading the floor.
The team above is long, fast and athletic, at least in comparison to last year's runner up squad.
Looking at the roster, we can officially put all Sanikidze threads to bed.
should be a fun summer, still hope we get that swing presence, even if that means hairston is not here.
You don't have to go after Balkman with Gist on the roster.
That about sums it up for me. Whether it's JR Smith, Ron Artest, Mickael Pietrus, Kelenna Azubuike, or someone I'm forgetting....pick them up and call it a day.
I also wouldn't mind if the Spurs flipped Bonner for one of the guards mentioned above in a sign-and-trade, then picked up a guy like Najera or Hermann to replace him using the MLE (i.e. Pietrus for Bonner, cash to cover, and future pick).
The Spurs need to get rid of Bonner however they can. Unfortunately, when the Spurs need to dump someone they end up paying dearly (ala Butler). When the Lakers need to get rid of an overpaid bum like Kwame Brown, they get someone to hand them Gasol.
I also wouldn't mind if the Spurs flipped Bonner for one of the guards mentioned above in a sign-and-trade, then picked up a guy like Najera or Hermann to replace him using the MLE (i.e. Pietrus for Bonner, cash to cover, and future pick).
we need Artest
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