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If they want Matt Bonner in return... sure.
http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archiv...of_villanueva/Bucks Looking To Get Rid Of Villanueva
The Bucks are looking to get rid of Charlie Villanueva as soon as possible, according to The New York Daily News.
Must people don't expect Villanueva to last very long with with Scott Skiles running the show in Milwaukee.
If they want Matt Bonner in return... sure.
I say go for it, I just dont know what we could offer in return.
no harm in seeing what they want in return
we have nothing to offer.
Bonner + 2nd round pick + cash (if needed)
How about this?
You sign Karaulov and Javtokas to minimum non-guaranteed 2nd round contracts. Then you trade them and the Beno trade exception to the Bucks for Villanueva. The Bucks then simply waive Karaulov and Javtokas and pay virtually nothing.
...kidding of course. But it could work, right?
why would they want to?
he's not much a defender, only a mediocre rebounder for his height, and he's one of the worst shooters in the league, yet jacks up shots left and right.
Pass. Scrub. Half assed player even on the Bucks.
Except for the fact you can't combine the trade exception with players...How about this?
You sign Karaulov and Javtokas to minimum non-guaranteed 2nd round contracts. Then you trade them and the Beno trade exception to the Bucks for Villanueva. The Bucks then simply waive Karaulov and Javtokas and pay virtually nothing.
...kidding of course. But it could work, right?
He's old right? Sign him!
Doghouse resident.
He's not old. this is 3rd or 4th year.
Sign me up yesterday. In February, just before the deadline, I lobbied for Villanueva.
Villanueva is not great, but he can score in bunches and could space the floor for Timmy. He'd put a slight wrinkle in the offense--a spacing 4 that can also put the ball on the floor. The Spurs big struggles in recent years have come on offense, so I'm willing to look past Villanueva's defensive short comings. And he's not a bad rebounder, he's just often too far away from the hoop from chucking threes.
If Bonner and a 2nd can get it done, the Spurs should do it. The other option is a sign and trade of Finley. Over pay Fin on a one year expiring to protect the Bucks from taking a cap hit. But then you run into roster space issues and almost certainly have to buy out Vaughn.
My only problem is that the trade would affect Mahinmi's minutes. But a front court of Duncan, Thomas, Oberto, Mahinmi and Villanueva is really versatile and viable. Add Gist or Benson to the number, and I'm super happy with what the Spurs have going into next season.
I'll be extremely angry if this happens..
he's a chucker with low basketball IQ..he doesn't play defense and doesn't rebound particularly well for a big man..
he doesn't belong on this team at all, and wouldn't be successful on any West powerhouse..
He's an upgrade, plus he can stretch the court and finish. He needs to stay healthy, also, he needs to be a bit more determined on defense. He's capable in my opinion. He's better than Horry and Bonner, plus I think he has only one year left on his contract. The salary fits, i'm up for it. We still have other needs but i'm up for it. He would have very limited minutes of course, and he'd have to respect the system.
He's a big with a respectable 3 pt shot; he does shoot too much.
He's never been challenged to play D.
He boards fine for his minutes and placement on the floor.
He can have occassional scoring outbursts, and is a big upgrade over Bonner--with a shorter contract to boot. If you can turn Bonner and a 2nd into Villanueva on a one year flier, you don't even think about it. You do it. It's not even a debate.
I think it's all a moot point, though. The Bucks can probably get more value than Bonner and a 2. And we don't have much else to offer.
How's his work ethic and at ude? If he's willing to learn defense and play within the system, it may benefit the team.
Poor.
But, , I don't care. He fills out the front court rotation, would be on an expiring contract, could be moved in February for a pick or something....
Low risk/high reward.
Hey, get it done RC. As long as you know me, George Hill is as untouchable as Kobe, and the Machine.
no it's not and yes he does. 29.7% on 185 attempts.
Mr George Hill shot that kind of percentage will Tony's wifey hanging on my sexy arm.
i usually agree with you tav, but im not with you here. im just not sure if you can effectively have him out there to "stretch the floor" when hes hitting at a sub-30% rate (29.7% last season).
sure, he can score a bit, but he does it so inefficiently that im not sure its actually that big a positive. take a look at his per36 number next to finleys numbers the last 3 years. CV scores about 3 more ppg, but on about 3 more fg attempts. and he does it at a lower percentage (47 eFG%, 50 TS% vs 50 eFG%, 52 TS% last season). to be fair though, his number the two previous season where a bit better (50 eFG% and 54 TS% average those years).
CV seems like a younger, bigger, athletic, rebounding finley, whose more turnover prone, fouls at a much higher rate, isnt as efficient or nearly as accurate from 3, and is just as bad a defender (not so much a direct comparison of the two, just of their contributions on the court). i guess if the price was low (bonner and a 2nd) i couldnt complain, but i wouldnt be ecstatic about the deal. a part of me would rather see what bonner could do over a good stretch with solid PT before i took a flier on CV (and thats a scary thought).
to be honest, if you give them the same minutes, I think you get more out of Bonner than Villanueva.
No way.
Villanueva's numbers were down a little last year, and he's never had a true big to play off of. But his career percentages are at 31 or 32 from 3, which isn't that much worse than what Bonner has given the Spurs.
But Villanueva can do all sorts of things offensively that Bonner would never attempt. In the end, my support of Villanueva is anchored in his ability to create points as a 7th or 8th man.
Bonner, for whatever reason, hasn't been a great fit in San Antonio. His numbers have gone down despite greater familiarity with the system. Pop doesn't have confidence in him. He's a roster spot we could use. And in two years, he hasn't come close to convincing me he can play within the Spurs defensive schemes. He tries real hard, but two years in still misses rotations and looks lost and helpless. On athleticism alone, Villanueva could be an improvement on d, and he can't be worse.
Yada yada yada. We'll probably just have to disagree here. Villanueva on an expiring deal for Bonner and a 2 is all I'd give, but if that's all it would cost, I'd do it, despite Villanueva's wobbly percentages.
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