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is that the new Mavericks fan rallying cry? "our team wasn't that good to begin with!"
You all are so stupid.
I didn't say they were better, I said we could argue about that. You say Dirk is better than those two? Ok, you got it.
Now you Findog, are the one always sucking Dirk's . You made a living of throwing every other Mav under the bus, and poor Dirk this, poor Dirk that. That he was injured. That he plays alone. That Avery doesn't play him right. That the system doesn't favor him. That we all should live in 2006.
Reality check:
- He can't guard anybody.
- He can't post anybody, even though he has the size and length.
- He can't lead anybody.
But hey, he has a sweet jumper!
Now, I've been telling you this for the good part of two years: He's soft, he chokes, and he can't lead. And I'm willing to put money down you wanted him to go past at least the first round the last two seasons to silence me, and everybody else that called him that. But you know what? He *IS* soft, he *DOES* choke, and he *CANT* lead.
Now everybody was ing that it was the system. That Avery was the problem. Well, now he has a brand new coach, that will have a full training camp. No more excuses. And I don't care if they win 80 games in the regular season. I want to see the playoffs. I want to see this guy PLAYING like a Top 10 player in the league. Until then, he's going to be the same old softie and choker...
Who said that? They were plenty good to get to where they did.
Thanks.
Now relay this message to stretch!!
Ah yes...the "soft choker" dubbing once again. Dirk, the same guy that lost his front teeth and returned seconds later. The same guy that plays on rubber ankles year-round and returned weeks earlier from a bad injury this past season (unlike Gasol, who nursed his for weeks). People that call him this bull only take a small sample of what they want to see and don't look at the big picture that is his career thus far.
How would anyone around here know if the can can lead or not? You're not there everyday. It's bull to say that.
Even that says all we need to know about your basketball a en.I didn't say they were better, I said we could argue about that.
I never said Dirk is blameless for the Mavs playoff exits, or that he is the best player in the game, or that he doesn't have flaws. I've simply defended him against the soft choker card. He's not a soft choker.
Dirk isn't soft. I don't understand this at all. The other two can be debated, but not the soft label. Seriously, what makes Dirk soft?Now, I've been telling you this for the good part of two years: He's soft, he chokes, and he can't lead.
Dirk played great against New Orleans. But guess what, the Hornets were much better than the Mavericks. KG is the same player in Boston that he was in Minnesota, and I wouldn't call him a choker, but plenty of others have. All of the sudden KG gets his non-clutch label retired because Pierce broke down the Lakers defense? It doesn't work that way. Dirk doesn't have to beat the Hornets to shed that label.And I'm willing to put money down you wanted him to go past at least the first round the last two seasons to silence me, and everybody else that called him that.
But you know what? You *ARE* an idiot if you think the following players are better than Dirk:But you know what? He *IS* soft, he *DOES* choke, and he *CANT* lead.
- Yao
- Iverson
- TMac
- Arenas
- Garnett
- Ray Allen
- Gasol
- Odom
- West
- Nash
- Amare
- Sheed
Seriously, it's 2008, not 2006 anymore. You can take that pole out of your ass where Dirk is concerned.
The Mavs are not an elite team anymore, and unless they revamp their roster, that won't change next year. Paul Pierce is the same damn player as he was last year, but he had a much better team around him this season. It's insane the way Dirk gets ALL of the blame for the Mavs shortcomings, and he's expected to lead a non-elite team to a le in order to get vindication. There's about 10-12 teams better than Dallas now.Now everybody was ing that it was the system. That Avery was the problem. Well, now he has a brand new coach, that will have a full training camp. No more excuses. And I don't care if they win 80 games in the regular season. I want to see the playoffs. I want to see this guy PLAYING like a Top 10 player in the league. Until then, he's going to be the same old softie and choker...
You gotta love what a ring will do for you. If this was three years ago I wonder what the poll results would be? Dirk please, and thank you.
Paul Pierce can't anchor a defense the way that Kevin Garnett can. And Garnett can't be a crunch-time scorer and create the way Pierce can. Together they did what alone they could not.
Dirk, the same guy that got slapped by David West, and not only he didn't react, he bend over and took it up the ass for the rest of the series. You think you can do anything like that to Kobe, Amare, Shaq, ... even Jason Kidd, and not have an instant brawl there?
The same Dirk that got posterized by none other than Matt ing Barnes. I still remember the excuses after the game. That Matt Barnes was a stud...
Some of you Mavs fans are funny.
Oh, this again. So, tell me - if Dirk retaliates and punches West, then what happens? He's suspended for 2-3 games. What kind of leadership does that exhibit? Dirk was the team's best player in that series. What sense would it have made to be suspended for a senseless retaliation?
Posterized? Bringing that dumb term up? Posterized? Should we find the one of Lebron shoving his junk down Duncan's throat? You want to make a big deal out of guys dunking on others?
Am I missing the point of all this arguing? We all knew that Paul Pierce was a baller after their previous ECF Finals run that fell short. Just because the guy decided to take a few years off because he was surrounded by terrible players doesn't mean he can't take it up a notch. Also, KG wasn't able to relieve some of the pressure off himself in big games until he had a clutch scorer and great role players next to him.
Dirk isn't surrounded by the worst players either, but he's not really surrounded by the right ones to win a championship. Dirk is in KG's Minnesota position: has players that might get him there, but probably won't take him over the top. I'll admit that Dirk has choked in the past and really didn't step up in the '06 Finals to win a le and I've repeatedly ripped on him for this. But he also has a lot of pressure on him to be THE MAN, much like KG did in Minny and he's fallen short.
When you take a step back and look at the bigger picture of the past few Finals, you realize that guys like Payton and Posey stepped up around D-Wade and the Spurs had a 3 headed monster of Duncan, Ginobili, and Parker for their les. It's probably something as simple as Dirk feeling monster pressure to do it all by himself (in his 100th game of the season or more) and not being able to trust his teammates completely.
Look at the two teams and you can argue that Boston has an advantage at each position, with factors such as clutch play, heart, skill, and experience playing roles:
Pierce > Howard
Perkins > Dampier
Allen > Terry
Posey > George
House > Stackhouse
Brown > Magloire
Powe = Bass
Kidd > Rondo (but they have different roles on their respective teams, so it's somewhat of a wash.)
I don't need to go much further to see why KG has a better supporting cast than Dirk, which then has allowed him to finally capture a le without as much pressure squared on his shoulders. I'm not saying that if you put Dirk in the middle of Pierce, Allen, and company in Beantown that he would automatically have a le, but those Larry Bird comparisons would probably increase in frequency. You can't really quantify the intesnity that KG brings which obviously rubbed off on his teammates; still, if KG were in Dallas and yelled at Jason Terry when he blew the assignment on Nash in 2005, would we criticize him as much for being a bad leader?
[QUOTE]You sure about that kid? Did you watch the NOLA-Dallas series?
So if you get posterized by a scrub, then you're a bad player?The same Dirk that got posterized by none other than Matt ing Barnes. I still remember the excuses after the game. That Matt Barnes was a stud...
Some of you Mavs fans are funny.
Spur fan still has a sore ass over 2006. Damn, I woulda thought a fourth ring would've eased that pain...Guess not.
Dirk v. New Orleans:
31/10
27/5/5
32/19/6
22/13
22/13/6
Yeah, "took it up the ass". Do you even watch basketball? Or do you just repeat the Spurs Sheep mantras like the others?
ElNono is the 21 Blessings of Spurs fans.
You're a ing Mavs fan. And a Dirk lover at that. Tells us ALL we need to know about your basketball a en.
Oh yeah you did. If there's ONE Mav fan on this board that gives Dirk a pass on anything, that would be you. There's always an excuse at hand when it comes to Dirk. Like I said, been reading this for two seasons already.
Actually, if you watched the entire East playoffs and not just the Finals, KG still is a choker. He got bailed out by Pierce.
The last four I actually think are playing better than Dirk now. I actually explained why 3 of those 4 are playing better. The rest I said we could argue about. Let me put my top 10 better than Dirk list again, to refresh your memory:
In no particular order, players playing better than him right now:
- Lebron
- Kobe
- Duncan
- Pierce
- Paul
- West
- Nash
- Amare
- D Howard
- Sheed
Another 'poor Dirk, so unjust he gets all the blame'... See what I'm talking about?
Then you can't read either.
Oh yeah you did. If there's ONE Mav fan on this board that gives Dirk a pass on anything, that would be you. There's always an excuse at hand when it comes to Dirk. Like I said, been reading this for two seasons already.
Are you ing serious? He slaps West by tattoing him for 27 and 12 the rest of the series, he came back from a high ankle sprain after 10 days and you call him soft? You might be even dumber than 21 Blessings. I've won this argument by default, so thanks for the sparring practice.
ElNono, you're embarrassing yourself.
Now let's put David West numbers right next to it:
Dirk West
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31/10 23/8/3/4
27/5/5 27/4/5
32/19/6 14/9/3
22/13 24/9/2/1
22/13/6 25/7/4/3
That's West, the 'nobody'. So yeah, he DID take it up the ass.
lol, 21 Blessings.
I can read. Like you were telling us Spurs fans that we were getting faceraped by New Orleans. Luckily for us, we actually have a leader. But you wouldn't know what a leader looks like anyways.
Here we go again... 'he was injured'... that's why he lets people slap him. And West outscored him in the last 2 games of the series, and pretty much played on par with him the entire series.
put Dirk on Boston in place of Pierce and the Celtics sweep the Lakers. Put Dirk on the Lakers in place of Gasol and the Lakers beat the Celtics in 5.
Put Dirk in place of the Finals MVP, they dont even make it to the finals, and the Hawks probably beat them.
Putting Dirk on the Lakers would only weaken their defense, and eliminate the only real post presence they have. They would probably get swept.
Lose-lose, not win-win.
I really dont get the Dirk hate. It is hard to win when you have players that arent good enough to help you win a championship. When your 2nd option (Josh Howard) goes MIA in the 4th quarter, that really doesnt make things any easier. Plus teams threw those random blindsided double teams at Dirk. What Dirk is now dealing with is total bull . This guy came back much earlier from an ankle sprain to get his team into the playoffs. Dirk showed up every game vs NO and gave it his all. without Dirks gutsy play...Mavs lose every game by 30 plus and get swept. You cant ask 1 guy to do it all. Dirk needs 2 consistent scorers by his side to take pressure off of him. Due to Howard going MIA in 4th quarters and the constant double teams, that leaves Dirk with role players who cant really create their own shot to win the game. Dirk needs 2 consistent scorers by his side to help him out. Duncan dealt with that during the early 2000's and Pierce dealt with this outside of this season.
Dirk is a top 5 player in this league and will finish top 10 easily when it is all said and done.
not even close. you're a ing moron if you believe that.
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