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How about you wait 'till they come back with that knife, and THEN shoot them. Only then will it be self defense and justified. Get it?
They'd already had robberies in the neighborhood, a lot of good calling the cops had done before.
You also have to put yourself in his situation. After Katrina the amount of violent crime skyrocketed in and around Houston with all the refugees there. But yeah, the guy was dumb, he should have waited for them to come back and rob or kill someone else, or stood around on his lawn waving a baking roller in the air telling them to stop it or else while crossing his fingers hoping not to get shot.
How about you wait 'till they come back with that knife, and THEN shoot them. Only then will it be self defense and justified. Get it?
Have a gun on hand and you can turn them from panicky to running away scared.
No thanks.
I'd appreciate someone shooting the person the first time they got aggressive and came at someone with a weapon.
Right, just don't ing shoot them while they're running away!
Wasn't there a plain clothes detective right across the street?
I left my English-to-Racist dictionary in my car, but I bet I know what that part means.
Also, I'm curious when it was decided that the only two options are apathy or a shotgun? I've yet to see a single post advocating that Horn turn a blind eye to the crime he was witnessing.
Like Horn did?
Bin- ing-go!
Haven't read to see if this was posted, but we had a local similar event last night.
http://www.ksat.com/news/16756701/detail.html
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SAN ANTONIO -- A 30-year-old homeowner shot an intruder Monday night while his pregnant wife and their 2-year-old baby were in the home, police said.
Stephen Garcia, 21, broke into the home at around 9:30 p.m. in the 6500 block of Arris Pass on the city's northwest side, police said.
Brian Stevens' wife was alone at the time with her baby when she realized someone was trying to break into their home, police said.
She immediately called her husband, who rushed home to find a bicycle in the front of the house and noises coming from the back.
Stevens ran inside to get his gun and located the intruder in the kitchen. Stevens then pointed the gun at the intruder, police said.
"I had my gun and I was pointing it at him," Stevens said. "And I was telling him, 'Get out of my house a bunch of times.'"
Stevens said that Garcia has his chance to leave, but the intruder didn't back down -- even after Stevens pulled the trigger the first time and the gun didn't go off.
Stevens said that he was so nervous that when he had tried to pull the trigger, the safety was still on, and all he could think about was his family hidden upstairs.
"Since the stairs were there ... my wife and baby were up there, and he could of ran upstairs," said Stevens.
Stevens lowered his hands and fired one round that hit Garcia and went through a wall.
"He just dropped, and I told him, 'Stay calm,'" Stevens said. "The ambulance and police (are) on their way."
Garcia was shot in the stomach and taken to a hospital where he remains in critical condition.
Although Garcia scared the family, Stevens still hopes he recovers.
"I just pray he gets better," Stevens said. "I heard he might be paralyzed and I hope that's not the case."
Stevens said that he believes that everybody has the right to protect their home and family and hopes to one day become a police officer.
None of the family members were injured.
Not really that similar though. At least the guy's motivation is completely different. He didn't chase the man outside and shoot him in the back, and this was his home, with his wife and child at stake. I'd say this is a legitimate case of self defense.
Interesting to see the guy is rational about the whole thing even after going through something like that. Most people wouldn't give a damn about the robber. Level headed dude, I'd say.
Similar as in a castle defense doctrine... we've had a few in SA over the past month or so.
I see. I agree then.
We don't need no stinkin' doctrines in Detroit.
We just kill people for the fun of it.
It is unfortunate that this situation happened ,but I think Horn was justified. According to the article
One of the burglars ran to him and Horn felt threatened. Can't fault the guy for feeling threatened.
As has already been pointed out, the guy ran at Horn because he walked outside with a shotgun. Whether or not it developed to a situation in which he felt a genuine threat, he already knew what he was going to do when he walked outside.
You should come to Argentina. Here if you're a minor you practically have carte blanche to kill whoever the you want. Our justice system is truly pathetic, in the sense that it has all the appearance of legitimacy, but none of the desired results. The laws are there, just no one willing to truly enforce them.
It also doesn't help that we have a corrupt government from the president down. Corruption in Argentina is not just a crime, but the norm. Its ironic really. Apparently, the way of thinking is this country is so infested with corruption, you can't get anything done without it; and at the same time, nothing ever gets done because of it. doing something about it. SO... it. Comedy, I tell you.
He goes outside, tells them "Move and you're dead!". One of them ignores that command and rushes after Horn. At that point, if somebody has the balls to confront a burglar with a shotgun, it is up to the burglar to realize that the person wielding the weapon isn't playing around.
Last edited by nomanches; 07-01-2008 at 11:51 PM.
this would be accurate if the man had some jurisdiction outside, say a law enforcement officer. Not a civilian. You don't walk outside with a gun and play cops and robbers, shoot someone and then claim it was on self defense when you initiated the whole thing. Why is that so hard to understand?
Granted.
But the point I'm making is that when you're the aggressor, when you're the one holding a shotgun and saying "move or I'll shoot," the definition of threat gets a bit fuzzy.
True,I understand what you're saying. I've never been in a situation like this where I was holding a gun to someone and I don't know if you have or not, but I am inclined to believe Horn felt threatened even while holding the weapon. In other words, we just don't know how we would react to such a tension filled/nervous situation like this until we have gone through something similar and if he says that he felt threatened then I think he should be given the benefit of the doubt.
Ideally you shoot them in the knees and the cops haul them away.
I don't buy all of the hypotheticals about accidentally shooting your neighbor for whatever reason because if that was really a significant danger we'd be hearing about it more and stuff like this wouldn't really be news.
No the burglars didn't deserve to die but they put themselves in that position.
Well wouldn't he have jurisdiction to do so since the burglars threatened him on his property?
Wow so now your advocating the ignoring of a burglary?
There was nothing racist about his posts, but as always, stretching.
No. Just the opposite, actually.
Is it that you don't fully read my posts, or that you just don't understand them?
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