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    Warriors Offer Brand Huge Contract

    Jul 02, 2008 2:34 PM EST
    The Warriors have offered free agent Elton Brand a five-year deal worth between $85 and $90 million, according to league sources.

    Brand, like Baron Davis, opted out of the final year of his contract just before Monday's deadline, giving up a guaranteed $16.4 million for next season.

    At the time, Brand's agent, David Falk, told reporters that the move was designed to create some cap flexibility for the Clippers to add another top-line player.

    The most the Clippers can offer Brand is a five-year deal worth about $70 million due to salary-cap restrictions - about $20 million less than the Warriors.

    Brand, who had been close to re-signing with the Clippers, is expected to make a decision today.

    Via San Francisco Chronicle
    Holy crap. Not good. That'd make Maggette property of the Clippers again ... and available for sign-and-trade.

    Don't take the money, Brand

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    Maybe I'm wrong, and I think it may be due to the Over 36 Rule, but can't the Clippers sign Brand to a six year deal?
    The most the Clippers can offer Brand is a five-year deal worth about $70 million due to salary-cap restrictions - about $20 million less than the Warriors.

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    so a D-League player is your savior? He'll realistically take at least 1-2 years to develop before he can contribute. Maggette is realized talent that can make a significant impact right now. If the Spurs get him they are definitely favorites to get out of the West.

    I don't see Maggette moving one inch until all the potential offers are layed out on the table for him. Word is he wanted a contract around $10-11 million from the Clippers, he's not exactly happy to be settling for MLE peanuts.
    Like I said before, change your name to "TheMadHater"

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    My understanding is that Brand was pretty adamant -- at least to Marc Stein -- that the rationale for opting out this year was to give the Clippers some room to seek out a big-name sidekick. Brand knew that he was going to leave some money on the table in taking that chance, but he thought the chance to improve the club was necessary to make playing in LA worthwhile to him. Given that, I can't see any offer from any other club being enough to entice Brand away from the Clippers (I can't believe I actually just wrote that. . . . ). I don't think GST coming up with a big money offer to Brand will mean much in terms of the Spurs' pursuit of Maggette.

    This is probably discussed elsewhere in this thread, but have the Clippers renounced Maggette to this point (must they?)?

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    I meant 1-2 years in the NBA. That's if he pans out, most D-League players do not.
    He's already had 1 year in the NBA. He's still bulking up, has a great set of post moves, and quick as . He has a future ahead in the NBA.

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    Brand isn't going anywhere. He'll take the pay cut to play with Davis.

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    I meant 1-2 years in the NBA. That's if he pans out, most D-League players do not.
    First round draft picks that are assigned to the D-League aren't your usual D-League players.

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    Let's see, Brand was born on Mar. 11, 1979.

    A quick glance at the CBA FAQ section on the "Over 36" Rule would seem to indicate that the Clippers can offer Brand a six year deal.

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    The most the Clippers can offer Brand is a five-year deal worth about $70 million due to salary-cap restrictions - about $20 million less than the Warriors.
    Yeah, I read that. But I believe that's incorrect. The Clippers have Brand's full Bird Rights and he's 29 years old.

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    He's already had 1 year in the NBA. He's still bulking up, has a great set of post moves, and quick as . He has a future ahead in the NBA.
    You mean the 6 games he played this season in which he averaged 3.8 mpg?


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    I don't think Brand is going to go to the Warriors after Bdiddy just agreed to sign with the Clippers.

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    My understanding is that Brand was pretty adamant -- at least to Marc Stein -- that the rationale for opting out this year was to give the Clippers some room to seek out a big-name sidekick. Brand knew that he was going to leave some money on the table in taking that chance, but he thought the chance to improve the club was necessary to make playing in LA worthwhile to him. Given that, I can't see any offer from any other club being enough to entice Brand away from the Clippers (I can't believe I actually just wrote that. . . . ). I don't think GST coming up with a big money offer to Brand will mean much in terms of the Spurs' pursuit of Maggette.

    This is probably discussed elsewhere in this thread, but have the Clippers renounced Maggette to this point (must they?)?
    Not sure how the CBA governs a verbal offer.

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    First round draft picks that are assigned to the D-League aren't your usual D-League players.

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    Except he played 72 NBA games in his rookie season averaging 15.1 mpg.

    Big difference between 72 games/15.1mpg and 6 games/3.8 mpg.

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    You mean the 6 games he played this season in which he averaged 3.8 mpg?

    Like you said yourself, it's all development.
    How do you expect a player who was in need of development to come in play in the NBA immediately? You're contradicting yourself right now.

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    Except he played 72 NBA games in his rookie season averaging 15.1 mpg.

    Big difference between 72 games/15.1mpg and 6 games/3.8 mpg.
    Yeah, the Lakers were a tier team.

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    Holy crap. Not good. That'd make Maggette property of the Clippers again ... and available for sign-and-trade.

    Don't take the money, Brand
    He said lately that Boston proved putting allstars together could work, if going in the same direction.

    I maybe wrong but leaving just when BD signed would contradict that take.
    What couldn't he do with 70 M that he could with 90 ? Go to Mars ?

    But again, we're talking money here, so...

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    Here's the answer:

    4. Exactly what is included when computing total team salaries?

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    * Salaries in contracts that have been agreed to but not yet executed (i.e., verbal agreements or agreements pending physicals). Note: During the July Moratorium (see question number 89), teams may not enter into verbal or written agreements. Therefore any agreements that are stuck during the moratorium are still characterized as negotiations, and do not count as team salary.
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    Except he played 72 NBA games in his rookie season averaging 15.1 mpg.

    Big difference between 72 games/15.1mpg and 6 games/3.8 mpg.
    The Lakers had no other choice. They sucked.

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    Like you said yourself, it's all development.
    How do you expect a player who was in need of development to come in play in the NBA immediately? You're contradicting yourself right now.
    No I'm not. I'm saying no amount of D-League basketball can really prepare you for the NBA. Especially for a young bigman, it's going to take at least a year before he can adjust to the NBA speed and physicality. And you're assuming he's going to get major minutes over Oberto and Thomas. The Spurs can't afford to around with rotations in the Wild West, every game is important.

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    First round draft picks that are assigned to the D-League aren't your usual D-League players.

    Sincerely,

    Jordan Farmar

    Indeed.

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    Yeah, the Lakers were a tier team.
    Wasn't that when Kwame Brown was their starting center? Yeah, I don't think they really had options.

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    No I'm not. I'm saying no amount of D-League basketball can really prepare you for the NBA. Especially for a young bigman, it's going to take at least a year before he can adjust to the NBA speed and physicality. And you're assuming he's going to get major minutes over Oberto and Thomas. The Spurs can't afford to around with rotations in the Wild West, every game is important.
    Watch and learn.

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    I'm assuming the Davis and Brand numbers are a little fungible since the amounts available rely heavily on whether they use cap space or Bird rights to re-sign Brand and the timing of each signing. It will be interesting to see how it finally shakes out.

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    A Spurs fan needs to step up and make one for Maggette. Maybe this could replace the mariachis.

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    I'm assuming the Davis and Brand numbers are a little fungible since the amounts available rely heavily on whether they use cap space or Bird rights to re-sign Brand and the timing of each signing. It will be interesting to see how it finally shakes out.
    True. If they renounce their other free agents, sign Brand, and then sign Davis they should be ok.

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