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Wow, I never knew those stats.
Took a look at the pre-draft measurements of the #1 overall pick in last week's draft Derrick Rose and the Spurs' 1st round pick George Hill. From a physical standpoint, Hill compares quite favorably to Rose (note: to reduce this thread by a few pages, I am not claiming that Hill is a comparable player to Rose).
Here's the tale of the tape:
Height w/o Shoes
Derrick Rose 6' 1.5"
George Hill 6' 1.25"
Height w/shoes
Rose 6' 2.5"
Hill 6' 2.5"
Weight
Rose 196
Hill 181
Wingspan
Rose 6' 8"
Hill 6' 9"
Standing Reach
Rose 8' 2.5"
Hill 8' 1.5"
Body Fat
Rose 4.6
Hill 3
No Step Vert
Rose 34.5"
Hill 34"
Max Vert
Rose 40"
Hill 37.5"
Bench Press
Rose 10
Hill 9
Lane Agility
Rose 11.69 sec
Hill 12.2 sec
3/4 Court Sprint
Rose 3.05 sec
Hill 3.07 sec
Rather comparable numbers. I think Rose is the slightly better athlete and the superior player, but Hill is no slouch. I believe the Spurs had Hill rated as one of the top 15 prospects in this draft. Other than the lane agility drill, his numbers are right up there with any other guard in the draft.
Also, Hairston and Gist performed rather well themselves. The Spurs apparently went into this draft looking for long, athletic, and experienced college players. Players who have the athleticism to survive in today's NBA, but perhaps some maturity as well.
Rose is slightly better than Hill. Not bad. I think Hill also has a good basketball IQ and is determined. He's looking more and more like a steal.
Fire RC *sarcasm*
I will admit I was one of the MANY who typed in WHO? and ! in the chatroom when Hill was drafted. Who was this kid that no one was talking about in the first? Why was he picked over players that were still there?
As time went on, it became clearer as to why. Now I can say I am happy and kind of excited to see this guy play.
Same thing for Gist.
It's also looking like the FO wasn't totally mailing it in by scouting only Kansas players, especially once they passed on Chalmers.
Getting 4 years seniors is an interesting way to look at it. We're getting players who were top recruits in High School but didn't get the same interest afterwards, for various reasons: the size of the school (Hill), the size of his waist (Hairston)...
I said the same things when the Spurs selected a French kid with an American-sounding name in 2001. Guess that taught me a lesson.
We'll see about Hill, but, as you suggest, I'm more inclined to trust the front office than I am inclined to get pissed because a bunch of draft analysts were underwhelmed by Hill.
I stick by the old saying, if Pop raves about a guy, more than likely that kid is gonna be good. Look at past players Pop has raved about. Kristic, guys along that line.
The only thing you can draw from this number is that Hill is really athletic and that he is big enough to play some SG.
Good for random Spurs trivia I guess....doesn't mean much.
Athleticism doesn't mean much?
I think the reason I was so upset is that I thought the Spurs were just selecting for someone else when there was still good talent but also I was upset because CDR was passed over.
or a bunch of SpursTalk board surfers........ self included.
It does seem like the Spurs made a conscientious attempt to get more athletic with this draft. Which is a good thing IMO, it's not hard to cut 2nd rounders. And Hill seems like a baller who is also athletic.
Spurs made a call. They could have been very right or they could have been very wrong, of course.
What is amusing is that now with the entire NBA (it seems like) selecting international talent, due in no small part to the Spurs' success in doing so, the Spurs went with three college seniors in the draft. Instead of searching Paris, Ljubljana, and Buenos Aires they went to Indianapolis, Eugene, and College Park. Perhaps now the edge of the basketball frontier is NCAA DI-AA.
I thought of that too. Interesting turnabout. If you think of some of the quality players that came up through the ranks from small schools back when the NBA draft was several rounds instead of two I think it makes a lot of sense to seriously scout the smaller schools looking for hidden gems.
In two rounds most of the marquee small school players get passed over, and you're right, the NBA is now so focused on europe that most of the major foreign talent gets mined out.
The Spurs were flying under the radar a bit when they went after Ginobili and Parker. Now every team makes euro scouting a top priority.
No doubt he's looking like a steal. What's got me excited is the heap of praise the normally reserved Spurs management has heaped upon him.
I hope this open many of the Chalmers fans eyes...Spurs pick a draft for a reason. Im shock before too...but im trying to figure out the reason why..I like how he shoot, and drive...but this statistics prove that I shouldnt curse at FO before research more
Did we not think that Dragic was a Spurs' pick and Hill was selected as part of a trade?
Anyways, I'm sure Thorn and Morey are taking notes.
your gonna hate me for this, but ive seen so many spurs drafts, with many different selections, some good, some bad, some gooder , some badder......i fell asleep during this past one...i didnt find out till the next monan, cos my son told me...college numbers do have meaning, some dont, i wait till i see them on the court, cos ive seen many spurs coaches, and pop isnt easy to play for, i dont care how good they are, getting playing minutes, are more important numbers to me, then any other number at all
I'm kinda excited because I think adding George Hill will allow the Spurs to play a three-guard alignment, kinda akin to what the Pistons did in the late 80's-early 90's. Imagine having Manu, TP, and Hill on the break? Should be sweet to watch! I see a lot of defenses getting broken down more with this kid. TP can break almost any defense with his penetration but his jump shot is spotty. Hill may not be as superior a penetrator as TP is, but the guy can kick out, run the pick and roll and knock the jumper off the screen. Can't wait to see Hill play in a Spurs uniform!
Good thought. Hmmm...with a 4 man who can hit the 3?
I can find 100 people lives in state of texas has the similar stat and nevr made it to the nba.
just food for thoughts
Well, then there is his body of collegiate work.
Well, for sure you need a SF that can shoot. I know Bowen is a good 3-point threat from the corners, but really you need someone who can shoot from the wings and corners. Delfino might add some shooting as well as Maggette. Tim would basically play center/PF. But things would be more spaced out for him to operate. I think Maggette is strong enough to rebound with most 4 men. So it may work out.
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