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There's been a better 2-way power forward in the history of the NBA?
Duncan is slightly overated..take away manu or parker...(the nba lockdown year cannot count as a legit ring) = 0 rings.
There's been a better 2-way power forward in the history of the NBA?
#1 PF, #8 all time
No duncan is the difference between a championship level team and a bottom feeding lottery team. Manu and Parker are not that good to keep the spurs out of the lottery without Duncan.
Someone already mentioned that and I addressed the question. Did you read this thread? Poster asked for opinions. I gave mine. No one is right, it's all subjective. However, I am one of the few people participating that saw all these giants actually play. I know one thing, I sure took some heat for my opnions. That's ok, we're here to discuss and as long as the arguments have content, it's all good. I picked Elvin Hayes but a detractor of his saw him play more than I did. All I know is he was one of a few players that always beat his season averages when he played against the Lakers.Sure are quite a few Lakers on that list of yours!
this is why i said overated!
You don't read well, do you?
so are you a spurs fan or not? obviously you haven't followed the spurs very long if you have
Top ten - 7th
Russell
MJ
Kareem
Magic
Bird
Chamberlain
Duncan
Bill Russell was a great defensive player but he is way overrated by most people.
You gotta do it on both ends of the court to crack the top ten, imo.
LOL @ Duncan without Manu and Parker..did that person miss out on 2003? that was one of the top 3 worst supporting casts for a championship team in NBA history, only next to Hakeem in 1993 and Rick Barry from the 70's..The Admiral was nearly done at that point, and Parker and Manu were just role players..some people just don't know anything about the NBA..
some of us are being biased though..Duncan isn't a top 5 player of all-time, that's a stretch..
tier 1 is undoubtedly(IMO) Jordan, Kareem, Wilt, Russell, Magic and Bird, in no particular order(except Russell being last out of those for me)..the next tier for me would have to be Shaq, Hakeem and Duncan..I'd say Timmy is at #10, but unlike Shaq, he still has a few years at the end of his prime, where he can bring in a 5th ring and some accolades..
Kobe without Shaq = 0 rings
Kobe without Shaq = trying to get traded
Kobe without Shaq = even more horrible teammate
Duncan is the heart and soul of the Spurs. He's won with so many different teammates over the years. He saves his best for the postseason.....why am I even explaining this....
(first 5 in any order you would like) = Jabbar, Jordan, Russell, O. Robinson, Chamberlain, Bird, Magic and next is Tim Duncan (8) with Malone, K. Bryant, E. Baylor right below him.
Number 1
How can Tim be the greatest pf of all time and not be in the top five of all time? If he's the best 4 that ever played than this by definition makes him a top five player. Ahead of anybody at the position. I'd put K. Malone and Elvin Hayes right behind him though.
No question Tim is a top five player of all time. And he's not done yet. I foresee at least two more Championships for him when it's all said and done.
Top 7 for sure.
There is the NBA all-time team.
Then above that is the NBA Duncan elite team.
I think I know what you are getting at..But if you were to make a list of the top 10 football players that ever played would you have to list a Tight End or an offensive lineman ? No, you might have 4 QB's in your top 10 list. That's why Duncan isn't top 10 necessarily.
MJ - Guard
Magic - Guard
Oscar Robertson - Guard
Wilt Chamberlin - Center
Bill Russell - Center
I'm not saying these are my top 5, I'm just using them as an example to my point.
Yeah, you get it. Explained further below. If a player makes everyone's top 10 list, he is probably top 10. If he is left off enough "ballots" he may not be.
This thread is very interesting. Naturally, there will usually be bias towards newer players. Which is why some people may rate LeBron ahead of MJ eventually, simply because they saw him play and didn't see Michael do his stuff.
I have also pointed out this topic is about individual players, not how many les they won because their teammates were better. Looking at baseball, how many les did Ernie Banks win? Nolan Ryan can be argued as one of the greatest pitchers in history. He got one championship when he was young, as a bullpen player for the 69 Mets. He probably would have won plenty of Cy Young awards if his Angel teams were better. That award usually went to pitchers who helped their teams make the playoffs. Anyway, Ryan finally earned respect due to his longevity of greatness. If you use the term no-hitter, you think of Nolan Ryan. If you think strikeout, Nolan Ryan comes up again. Going to Texas to play probably lengthened his career, and his excellence.
I am still surprised no one is discussing the pros and cons of Julius Erving. Certainly there are other older fans on this board that remember what he could do! Certainly you have all seen his move to the basket in the video below at the 1 minute mark. Michael Jordan makes comments near the end.:
Last edited by Lakers_55; 07-07-2008 at 08:44 PM.
Trying REALLY hard to be objective, and taking into account that I am 35:
1. Jordan
2. Wilt
3. Russell
4. Kareem
6. Magic
7. Bird
8. Duncan
9. Oscar Robinson
10. Snaq
Anyone that doesnt have Russell and Chamberlain in their top 2 or 3 has no notion of the history of the game.
Russell was the common and key component of 11 World les.
Chamberlain over a 14 year career averaged 30/23/4. He went to the finals 5 times and won 2 les and was perennial in the conference finals on the other years accruing 160 playoff games. One season he averaged 50/26/2. Another he went 24/24/9 which led the league in assists. He scored 100 points in a game; he grabbed 50 rebounds in another. He averaged 48.5 minutes one season. He led the league in points 7 times, rebounding 11 times, FG% 9 times, minutes played 9 times.
I love reading threads like this. Fans of other teams making themselves look foolish and jealous. Get over it. Tim is top 10 and best pf of all time
I have plenty of knowledge of the history of the game. The arguing point seems to be whether or not we are talking about individual players, or players who had the right teammates to help them win them les. There is a huge difference! I think we are talking greatest players. Russell fails to make the top 3 in the first criterea, let alone top 10.
MJ
Magic
Kareem
Bird
Shaq
Duncan
Hakeem
Wilt
Kobe.
my list.
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