A re-evaluation of the Jesus story?

[JoeChalupa]

perfect obama slogan

That's my story and I'm sticking to it. My faith is rock solid.


Carry on.

[Brutalis]

I think humans are already doing a good job thinking we die and become grass. No surprise regardless.

[Extra Stout]

Hey, look what I found!

1 "Come, let us return to the LORD;
for he has torn us, that he may heal us;
he has struck us down, and he will bind us up.
2 After two days he will revive us;
on the third day he will raise us up,
that we may live before him.

[peewee's lovechild]

Nice.

[peewee's lovechild]

Stout, doesn't the article say that the tablet has "Simon" as the suffering Messiah that will be killed and revived after three days?

I think what the article is saying is that there already was a "suffering Messiah" that would be revived three days after being put down.

I may not be reading it right, but that's what I got out of it. So, this Simon person came before Jesus did.

Maybe you can explain that to me.

[BacktoBasics]

I once ate some fried chicken. It returned on the third day

[Extra Stout]

Stout, doesn't the article say that the tablet has "Simon" as the suffering Messiah that will be killed and revived after three days?

I think what the article is saying is that there already was a "suffering Messiah" that would be revived three days after being put down.

I may not be reading it right, but that's what I got out of it. So, this Simon person came before Jesus did.

Maybe you can explain that to me.

Translation (Semitic sounds in caps and\or italics)
Column A
(Lines 1-6 are unintelligible)
7. [… ]the sons of Israel …[…]…
8. […]… […]…
9. [… ]the word of YHW[H …]…[…]
10. […]… I\you asked …
11. YHWH, you ask me. Thus said the Lord of Hosts:
12. […]… from my(?) house, Israel, and I will tell the greatness(es?) of Jerusalem.
13. [Thus] said YHWH, the Lord of Israel: Behold, all the nations are
14. … against(?)\to(?) Jerusalem and …,
15. [o]ne, two, three, fourty(?) prophets(?) and the returners(?),
16. [and] the Hasidin(?). My servant, David, asked from before Ephraim(?)
17. [to?] put the sign(?) I ask from you. Because He said, (namely,)
18. [Y]HWH of Hosts, the Lord of Israel: …
19. sanc y(?)\sanctify(?) Israel! In three days you shall know, that(?)\for(?) He said,
20. (namely,) YHWH the Lord of Hosts, the Lord of Israel: The evil broke (down)
21. before justice. Ask me and I will tell you what 22this bad 21plant is,
22. lwbnsd/r/k (=? [To me? in libation?]) you are standing, the messenger\angel. He
23. … (= will ordain you?) to Torah(?). Blessed be the Glory of YHWH the Lord, from
24. his seat. “In a little while”, qyTuT (=a brawl?\ tiny?) it is, “and I will shake the
25. … of? heaven and the earth”. Here is the Glory of YHWH the Lord of
26. Hosts, the Lord of Israel. These are the chariots, seven,
27. [un]to(?) the gate(?) of Jerusalem, and the gates of Judah, and … for the
sake of
28. … His(?) angel, Michael, and to all the others(?) ask\asked
29. …. Thus He said, YHWH the Lord of Hosts, the Lord of
30. Israel: One, two, three, four, five, six,
31. [se]ven, these(?) are(?) His(?) angel …. 'What is it', said the blossom(?)\diadem(?)
32. …[…]… and (the?) … (= leader?/ruler?), the second,
33. … Jerusalem…. three, in\of the greatness(es?) of
34. […]…[…]…
35. […]…, who saw a man … working(?) and […]…
36. that he … […]… from(?) Jerusalem(?)
37. … on(?) … the exile(?) of …,
38. the exile(?) of …, Lord …, and I will see
39. …[…] Jerusalem, He will say, YHWH of
40. Hosts, …
41. […]… that will lift(?) …
42. […]… in all the
43. […]…
44. […]…

Column B
(Lines 45-50 are unintelligible)
51. Your people(?)\with you(?) …[…]
52. … the [me]ssengers(?)\[a]ngels(?)[ …]…
53. on\against His/My people. And …[…]…
54. [… ]three days(?). This is (that) which(?) …[… ]He(?)
55. the Lord(?)\these(?)[ …]…[…]
56. see(?) …[…]
57. closed(?). The blood of the slaughters(?)\sacrifices(?) of Jerusalem. For He said,
YHWH of Hos[ts],
58. the Lord of Israel: For He said, YHWH of Hosts, the Lord of
59. Israel: …
60. […]… me(?) the spirit?\wind of(?) …
61. …[…]…
62. in it(?) …[…]…[…]
63. …[…]…[…]
64. …[…]… loved(?)/… …[…]
65. The three saints of the world\eternity from\of …[…]
66. […]… peace he? said, to\in you we trust(?) …
67. Inform him of the blood of this chariot of them(?) …[…]
68. Many lovers He has, YHWH of Hosts, the Lord of Israel …
69. Thus He said, (namely,) YHWH of Hosts, the Lord of Israel …:
70. Prophets have I sent to my people, three. And I say
71. that I have seen …[…]…
72. the place for the sake of(?) David the servant of YHWH[ …]…[…]
73. the heaven and the earth. Blessed be …[…]
74. men(?). “Showing mercy unto thousands”, … mercy […].
75. Three shepherds went out to?/of? Israel …[…].
76. If there is a priest, if there are sons of saints …[…]
77. Who am I(?), I (am?) Gabri’el the …(=angel?)… […]
78. You(?) will save them, …[…]…
79. from before You, the three si[gn]s(?), three …[….]
80. In three days …, I, Gabri’el …[?],
81. the Prince of Princes, …, narrow holes(?) …[…]…
82. to/for … […]… and the …
83. to me(?), out of three - the small one, whom(?) I took, I, Gabri’el.
84. YHWH of Hosts, the Lord of(?)[ Israel …]…[….]
85. Then you will stand …[…]…
86. …\
87. in(?) … eternity(?)/… \
\

Seems as though Dr. Knohl has engaged in a bit of speculative hypothesizing.

[atxrocker]

I once ate some fried chicken. It returned on the third day

[tlongII]

Here we go again.... It is called FAITH!!! Blessed are those who have not seen, yet believe.


Carry on.

Cults are "faith-based" too. Just sayin...

[Extra Stout]

I think Imight have a grasp on the scholarly thrust behind Dr. Knohl's speculations. He is trying to undercut Bishop Wright's line of reasoning in The Resurrection of the Son of God.

[peewee's lovechild]

Seems as though Dr. Knohl has engaged in a bit of speculative hypothesizing.

So, there isn't any mention of a "Simon"?

[JoeChalupa]

I once ate some fried chicken. It returned on the third day

That is just because you are a chicken .

[JoeChalupa]

Cults are "faith-based" too. Just sayin...

So are some political parties....Just sayin'....

[Extra Stout]

So, there isn't any mention of a "Simon"?

Apparently not.

It seems Dr. Knohl already had a hypothesis that included some "messiah" named Simon, and was looking for some textual evidence to support it. Along comes this tablet, with an obscure reference to "three days," and a corrupted word that could mean "life" among other things.

Of course, if somebody tried to use a tie so tenuous (to the point of non-existence) to buttress a position defending orthodox Christianity, he'd be laughed out of the academy.

[peewee's lovechild]

Apparently not.

It seems Dr. Knohl already had a hypothesis that included some "messiah" named Simon, and was looking for some textual evidence to support it. Along comes this tablet, with an obscure reference to "three days," and a corrupted word that could mean "life" among other things.

Of course, if somebody tried to use a tie so tenuous (to the point of non-existence) to buttress a position defending orthodox Christianity, he'd be laughed out of the academy.

Well, that's the end of that.

I thought the tablet had the name of Simon on it.

The article is missleading.
It was an interesting read anyway.

[peewee's lovechild]

Where did you get the info on the tablet?

Is there a link to a picture of it?

[Extra Stout]

Where did you get the info on the tablet?

Is there a link to a picture of it?

http://bib-arch.org/news/dss-in-stone-news.asp

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Great...the monthly "I just found this interesting but I'm not posting it to argue there is no God...I'm just sayin' it's interesting is all....but I'm prepared to argue for days about it, nonetheless, because I know I'm lobbing a great big religious debate softball out there to be hit, and I'm in the mood to bang heads...but this is just an interesting bit of reading....don't mind me....fvck you all" thread by Peewee.

Is it July already?

[peewee's lovechild]

http://bib-arch.org/news/dss-in-stone-news.asp

I was able to click on a couple of links for the text, but there wasn't one for a picture of the tablet.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Oh wait...is it over already........























fvck.

[peewee's lovechild]

Great...the monthly "I just found this interesting but I'm not posting it to argue there is no God...I'm just sayin' it's interesting is all....but I'm prepared to argue for days about it, nonetheless, because I know I'm lobbing a great big religious debate softball out there to be hit, and I'm in the mood to bang heads...but this is just an interesting bit of reading....don't mind me....fvck you all" thread by Peewee.

Is it July already?

Where was I arguing about the nonexistence of god?

If anything, it was about Jesus.

You christian warriors are pretty damn sensitive.
God is probably proud of you.

You should folllow Stout's lead and post with reason rather than your pathetic god-lust.

[Jesus]

Where was I arguing about the nonexistence of god?

If anything, it was about Jesus.

You christian warriors are pretty damn sensitive.
God is probably proud of you.

You should folllow Stout's lead and post with reason rather than your pathetic god-lust.

You would be wise to heed your own words my son. I've read all of your posts.

God Bless.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Where was I arguing about the nonexistence of god?

If anything, it was about Jesus.

You christian warriors are pretty damn sensitive.
God is probably proud of you.

You should folllow Stout's lead and post with reason rather than your pathetic god-lust.

Peewee, I didn't actually read the thread. I apologize. I'll correct my previous statement.......

Great...the monthly "I just found this interesting but I'm not posting it to argue there is no Jesus...I'm just sayin' it's interesting is all....but I'm prepared to argue for days about it, nonetheless, because I know I'm lobbing a great big religious debate softball out there to be hit, and I'm in the mood to bang heads...but this is just an interesting bit of reading....don't mind me....fvck you all" thread by Peewee.

Is it July already?

Whew!!! Thanks for the heads up. I hate to falsely accuse you of anything.

[remingtonbo2001]

[peewee's lovechild]

Whew!!! Thanks for the heads up. I hate to falsely accuse you of anything.

I'm glad you understand it now.

Now, go back to jacking off to the crucifix on your wall.