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i define it as spooging all over your boobs.
X-posted on my blog, but I thought I'd see what all of y'all think, too...
In recent Reuters news blurbs, Obama was quoted as saying this about ‘patriotism’:
“In the end, it may be this quality that best describes patriotism in my mind — not just a love of America in the abstract, but a very particular love for, and faith in, one another as Americans.”
McCain, on the other hand, says this:
“(Patriotism) is putting the country first, before party or personal ambition, before anything.“
What about you? How do you define patriotism? Do you consider yourself “patriotic”?
i define it as spooging all over your boobs.
Having a level of mistrust in a government that corresponds to its size and power.
Patriotism is standing in front of an American flag while talking about how you will slash the military budget.
I'm patriotic and if you don't think so then
ing BAM.
Why is patriotism (and protein) such an all-encompassing obsession for Americans?
Is big bad red Communism under the bed and trying to take over the country?
Are everyday Americans trying to overthrow the unpatriotic, anti-American kleptocratic plutocracy that runs the country?
US has the biggest, baddest assed military (industrial complex) in the History of the Universe, but Americans are pre-occupied with testing each others' patriotism, as if revolution and subversion lurked daily everywhere.
Serious answers, please. (pretty much excludes as the right-wing dumb s here).
How about you shut the up and start your own thread then. , the thread starter asks a question and then you chime in with that and have the nerve to say "serious answers, please".
Here's my serious answer........... you, God hates you.
Why is dubya (and darth cheney) such an all-encompassing obsession for boutons_?
And I would say that's pretty far away from the definition of Patriotism...you have to really just completely pull an entirely new definition out of your ass with no basis in the meaning of the word Patriotism for that to be what you define as Patriotism.
I'm not saying I don't understand your point, I'm not saying you are wrong to do it...but calling that Patriotism, is like saying a taking a bath is taking a dump.
boutons doesn't love this country...and only someone patronizing him or a an asshat would think that he does...get ing real.
Patriotism means loving your country, and boutons doesn't love this country....by his own admission.
Anyway, I would define Patriotism as just what is is...loving your country. And when you love your country, like any sort of love, you love it whether it's right, or it's wrong....that means you go down with country, even if it is wrong(whether you agree with what it is doing, or not).
You do not say I will leave the country, as if you are embarrassed to be a part of it, regardless of who the leader is, you are not embarrassed to be a part of it, you do not burn flags, you do not badmouth it's history with biased venom and bile...you cannot do those things and claim to be Patriotic. If you do those things and think you are being Patriotic, you are wrong.
There are a great many people that think they are Patriots, that aren't...because there aren't very many true Patriots left, on either side of the line.
Patriot:
Not:
I'm not oversimplifying things either...
It's really not that confusing.
pat tillman=used patriot. so low they couldn't even get this right.
not patriots
...I mean for Christ sakes, you can see the British Union Jack emblem in their colonial flags in the background.
whottt has the definition of patriotism exactly right, btw. "My country, right or wrong."
These guys were patriots.
The internet debate axiom to the Law of Probability states:
As the length of any thread increases the odds of either anal sex or nazis being mentioned approaches one (a statistical certainty).
Defending one's country can be right at home through legislature. Alot do not consider this as such, but it is by far the most important for this type of country in my opinion.
What is wrong with saying Pay Tillman was a Patriot? Are you saying he wasn't?
And can you think of a better well known recent example of loving one's country and putting it first?
That's the definition of Patriotism...
Doesn't change the fact that he was a Patriot....
whottt has the definition of patriotism exactly right, btw. "My country, right or wrong."
These guys were patriots.
IF your love of your country is conditional upon who is running it, then you don't love your country first.
I don't think that patriotism means blind adherence to whatever policies the existing government of your nation chooses to follow -- particularly if those policies are contrary to the fundamental principles that define your nation. I mean, if I was to take whottt's definition literally, I would be unpatriotic to challenge my own government if, for instance, an Administration took an overt position that all citizens must become druids and never meet with each other except in the presence of governmental agents. Of course, those policies would be fundamentally contrary to the priniciples that the nation was founded upon, but whottt's definition says that if the government could enact those policies, I'd be unpatriotic to challenge them because I should "go down with the country." I think that love of country means love of country and love of country means love of the principles and ideals that define the country.
Thus, with all due respect, I think the definition proposed is a bit too simplistic.
A patriot loves what his country stands for, even if he does not support what his country does in every cir stance. A patriot is willing to defend the things that his country stands for. But a patriot also, I think, fights against things that are contrary to what his country stands for, even if those efforts come from within. While I don't think patriotism necessitates overt skepticism of everything a nation does, I also don't think it's unpatriotic to question policies and efforts that seem to defy historical precedents and founding principles.
Ultimately, I think it's the adherence to those things -- a love and a reverence for the history of his country, the ideals that it stands for, and the principles upon which it was founded and operates -- that define a patriot.
If you are putting hte World ahead of your country, then you aren't a Patriot...because you aren't putting your country first. If you are excercising your right to not sing the National Anthem or put your hand over your heart, for whatever personal belief system you have...then you aren't a Patriot, because you aren't putting your country first. You are putting other things in front of it...
You can still claim to be Patriotic and love your country...but you damn sure aren't the definition of Patriotism. You aren't defined by your love of your country, and therefore you are not truly a Patriot.
And someone who gives his life for his country, dies in it's service and gives up fame and fortune...I just don't see how anyone can be a better example of Patriotism....I'm sorry if it offends you guys, because you aren't as Patriotic as he was(and neither am I)...but you'll get over it. Try not to get your panties in a wad about it...
Like I said...a lot of people think they are Patriots...few actually deserve the name.
Last edited by whottt; 07-09-2008 at 11:56 AM.
I didn't give that as my definition of Patriotism...
Link?
False...I did not say that.I mean, if I was to take whottt's definition literally, I would be unpatriotic to challenge my own government if, for instance, an Administration took an overt position that all citizens must become druids and never meet with each other except in the presence of governmental agents.
False...I did not say that.Of course, those policies would be fundamentally contrary to the priniciples that the nation was founded upon, but whottt's definition says that if the government could enact those policies, I'd be unpatriotic to challenge them because I should "go down with the country."
But I still saying dying in service to your country is the ultimate definition of Patriotism..
What a crock of bull to say otherwise.
I think that love of country means love of country and love of country means love of the principles and ideals that define the country.
Thus, with all due respect, I think the definition proposed is a bit too simplistic.
A patriot loves what his country stands for, even if he does not support what his country does in every cir stance. A patriot is willing to defend the things that his country stands for. But a patriot also, I think, fights against things that are contrary to what his country stands for, even if those efforts come from within. While I don't think patriotism necessitates overt skepticism of everything a nation does, I also don't think it's unpatriotic to question policies and efforts that seem to defy historical precedents and founding principles.
You are politicizing this...I am not.
Would you have been less offended if I used Alec(I'll leave if I don't like who wins the election) Baldwin or Natalie (Hi Euros, I'm embarrassed to be an American)Maine instead of Obama?
Or what about Michael(America is a stupid country and Americans are stupid people) Moore?
Somehow I doubt it...
Ultimately, I think it's the adherence to those things -- a love and a reverence for the history of his country, the ideals that it stands for, and the principles upon which it was founded and operates -- that define a patriot.
And ultimately...I think Pat Tillman would probably not be a big fan of the Bush admin if he were alive today...so try not to be offended that I actually chose to honor a true Patriot when defining Patriotism.
And when you love your country, like any sort of love, you love it whether it's right, or it's wrong....that means you go down with country, even if it is wrong(whether you agree with what it is doing, or not).
See above.
See above.
You're imagining a dispute between us on this issue. I agree with you completely that Pat Tillman is a patriot.
I'm not politicizing it. My definition is not dependent upon an affiliation with any political party or any ideology other than one that believes in the principles upon which the country was founded; my definition of patriotism has nothing to do with politics.
I'm not offended. You're making this about specific people -- I'm not.
I just think your definition of patriotism is too simplistic. Patriotism isn't a suicide pact; likewise, one isn't unpatriotic simply because he disagrees with policies enacted by the existing government when those policies are fundamentally at odds with the foundational principles of that nation.
I absolutely agree with you that Pat Tillman is a fine example of a patriot.
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