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    Nice writeup. The deceptive thing about Mason (at least last season) is he scored the ball very well. He scored 17 points per 40 minutes, which is better than anyone on the Spurs outside of the Big Three. If he can bring that kind of scoring next year to San Antonio, that'd obviously help the offense.

    The Spurs wanted him last season even before Udoka -- and that was when Mason's stats were horrible -- so they must see something in him. I guess we'll find out what exactly they saw in him to target him so highly two years in a row.

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    After the slight chance that was Maggette, who else was left? Realistically, not much.

    And the Spurs chased that slight chance. Believe it or not, in the NBA it's hard to pull name talent when you're offering the MLE or less.

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    Yeah, a lot of people expect the Spurs to be able to pull the talent for half of what they are worth.

    Everybody is saying that $3.75M is to much, which I think it is a little overboard, but in the grand scheme of things it's not a horrible contract. Especially compared to Duhon, Pietrus etc.

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    Add to the "Pros" that he's got a two-year contract, which means his salary won't be on the books when the Spurs go out and try to get a real FA...

    Just kidding, but put it if you want to.

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    Yeah, a lot of people expect the Spurs to be able to pull the talent for half of what they are worth.

    Everybody is saying that $3.75M is to much, which I think it is a little overboard, but in the grand scheme of things it's not a horrible contract. Especially compared to Duhon, Pietrus etc.
    Spurs only offered that much per season so he'd take the short term deal.

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    Believe it or not, in the NBA it's hard to pull name talent when you're offering the MLE or less.
    True and add in the fact that the Spurs didn't want to offer more than a two-year contract and this is the sort of player you can get. Even Carlos Delfino was demanding a third year to his contract.

    Mason isn't a wow signing but with a two-year contract as bait, it's really difficult to land better. This is definitely a boring signing ... but oh well, the Spurs still have a lot of flexibility in the short-term and long-term so we'll see what the next step is.

    Perhaps they can wait on for summer league and see what they have. At that point, they'll have slightly more than the LLE to get someone off the trash heap. Or they can now just outbid the Sprockets and other teams for Barry. Or they can get active in a sign and trade.

    We'll see which direction they go in.

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    Spurs only offered that much per season so he'd take the short term deal.
    Yep, which makes this contract not nearly the stretch that it initially appears.

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    Good write up Tooth.

    I have to admit I was disappointed, not because I think Mason is a bad player, but because I was hoping for something better.

    Overall, I think Mason is a good signing for the money. Production wise he seems similiar to Azubuike, without the penetration and rebounding.

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    How is Mason's age a problem (27) when Maggette's age was not (28)?

    Mason's bigger than I thought - my concern about him was that I thought he was more PG size. But other than that I actually liked him a lot. I think he has the potential to be very good in the Spurs system.

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    Good write up, but I would say rebounding is something we do need from the swing position, because other than Tim no one rebounds very well, and even KT didn't rebound as well as he did compared to how he played in Seattle.

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    Nice writeup. The deceptive thing about Mason (at least last season) is he scored the ball very well. He scored 17 points per 40 minutes, which is better than anyone on the Spurs outside of the Big Three. If he can bring that kind of scoring next year to San Antonio, that'd obviously help the offense.

    The Spurs wanted him last season even before Udoka -- and that was when Mason's stats were horrible -- so they must see something in him. I guess we'll find out what exactly they saw in him to target him so highly two years in a row.


    That's the thing about this offseason....the draft and now free agency, the Spurs have gone way off the board with their personnel choices. I hope they really are smarter than everyone else this time. They better be right.

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    True and add in the fact that the Spurs didn't want to offer more than a two-year contract and this is the sort of player you can get. Even Carlos Delfino was demanding a third year to his contract.

    Mason isn't a wow signing but with a two-year contract as bait, it's really difficult to land better. This is definitely a boring signing ... but oh well, the Spurs still have a lot of flexibility in the short-term and long-term so we'll see what the next step is.

    Perhaps they can wait on for summer league and see what they have. At that point, they'll have slightly more than the LLE to get someone off the trash heap. Or they can now just outbid the Sprockets and other teams for Barry. Or they can get active in a sign and trade.

    We'll see which direction they go in.

    Do you think they would try to trade Bonner? I realize we need to sign KT, so trading a big seems premature at this point, but I'm curious if Bonner is someone they want to play or move.

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    You could delete the "Pro" that says he's a good shooter to "he shot well last year".

    I'll say it again, the guy didn't have good shooting numbers in his first three years and will have to prove to me that last year wasn't a statistical anomoly before I anoint him a "good shooter".
    Remember that he played in Greece and Israel between his first three years and the last two. If he's exactly as consistent as Finley but plays a little defense it's a good trade-off.

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    Looking through the bargain bin...

    Yakhouba Diawara - would make sense as an IR learn the game kind of player.
    Tony Allen - maybe he needs to be in the right situation. Then again, maybe he was in the right situation.
    Devin Brown - second time's a charm?
    Devean George - as a 5th swingman, I guess.
    Walter Herrmann - wouldn't be that bad.
    Matt Barnes - I think he could fit in well in SA.
    Bostjan Nachbar - backup SF. Can shoot it. Looking for a long-term deal though. Not really worth that.
    Bonzi Wells - if he came for what the Spurs have to offer, why not?
    Ronald Dupree - Spurs have been interested in him before.
    Gordan Giricek - depending on what happens with Barry.
    Primoz Brezec - buy low. Really low.

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    Do you think they would try to trade Bonner? I realize we need to sign KT, so trading a big seems premature at this point, but I'm curious if Bonner is someone they want to play or move.
    His contract is decent enough that the Spurs may be able to come up with a sign-and-trade using something like Bonner and a second rounder. We'll see but the Spurs still have a decent amount of flexibility.

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    This signing will make a lot more sense if Barry is signed using the rest of the MLE. If Barry told the Spurs they need to outbid the other teams, the only way to do that would be via the MLE. Dangling two years and $7.4M, Mason is about as good as you're going to do.

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    Looking through the bargain bin...

    Yakhouba Diawara - would make sense as an IR learn the game kind of player.
    Tony Allen - maybe he needs to be in the right situation. Then again, maybe he was in the right situation.
    Devin Brown - second time's a charm?
    Devean George - as a 5th swingman, I guess.
    Walter Herrmann - wouldn't be that bad.
    Matt Barnes - I think he could fit in well in SA.
    Bostjan Nachbar - backup SF. Can shoot it. Looking for a long-term deal though. Not really worth that.
    Bonzi Wells - if he came for what the Spurs have to offer, why not?
    Ronald Dupree - Spurs have been interested in him before.
    Gordan Giricek - depending on what happens with Barry.
    Primoz Brezec - buy low. Really low.
    I'd take on Giricek.

    Barnes and Wells too.

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    This signing will make a lot more sense if Barry is signed using the rest of the MLE. If Barry told the Spurs they need to outbid the other teams, the only way to do that would be via the MLE. Dangling two years and $7.4M, Mason is about as good as you're going to do.
    Surely Barry and KT are the priority, right? I have this lurking fear that the priority is actually Finley and Horry.

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    Hermann would be nice.

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    Surely Barry and KT are the priority, right? I have this lurking fear that the priority is actually Finley and Horry.
    Thomas for sure. Next after him is either Finley or Barry. If you held a gun to my head I'd say the Spurs could like Finley more ... but then again that could just be my pessimism talking.

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    Hopefully he can keep the seat warm untill the all-star break...

    Hairston should be ready to bench his ass by then.

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    Thomas for sure. Next after him is either Finley or Barry. If you held a gun to my head I'd say the Spurs could like Finley more ... but then again that could just be my pessimism talking.
    Yeah, I have no faith in Pop's judgment when it comes to certain guys. Finley is the anti-Beno in his mind.

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    I like what I see here. The Spurs have lacked a player who excels shooting from straight away and in the midrange game. No one on the Spurs shoots very well from midrange. In fact, Parker is one of the best on the team. If Mason continues that sort of shooting, he'd be the best on the team.

    But even more impressive is where he hits his three-pointers. He's actually a very good fit on the court with Bowen. In that left corner is where Bowen likes to shoot from and Mason doesn't shoot from there so they won't get in each other's way. If Udoka is the future defensive stopper, Udoka also shoots from the corners so having a shooter who shoots from the top of the key and the arch is important.

    It's staggering how little Mason gets in the lane but that's not too different than the other guards the Spurs have had throughout the years. His ability to hit straight-away threes and shots in midrange should be a good fit.

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    Nice writeup. The deceptive thing about Mason (at least last season) is he scored the ball very well. He scored 17 points per 40 minutes, which is better than anyone on the Spurs outside of the Big Three. If he can bring that kind of scoring next year to San Antonio, that'd obviously help the offense.

    The Spurs wanted him last season even before Udoka -- and that was when Mason's stats were horrible -- so they must see something in him. I guess we'll find out what exactly they saw in him to target him so highly two years in a row.
    yea i fully agree with this.

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    Got one of these for Finley, just for comparison?

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