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    Bump. Because Galileo has yet to answer my questions.

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    I tell you, truthers can be some dumb mother ers:



    These guys get a GOLDEN opportunity to educate themselves about Al Qaeda and the government's actions concerning that organization from the former head of Alec Station. This guy knows pretty much all there is to know about AQ and things like the alleged ties to Saddam Hussein, etc.

    So what do they do? Waste everyone's time with saying a religion professor doesn't think it's Bin Laden on the video tapes and telling him the think Bin Laden worked for the joooooooooooooooooos.

    Scheuer then gives a very valuable opinion about the 9/11 Commission (one I have given several times on this board) -- and what does the truther do? Asks him about WTC7.

    Scheuer is a first-class and has some pretty strident views, I'm shocked he was as tolerant as he appeared to be.

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    What does Scheuner know that numerous former US military officials don't?

    USA Military Officers Challenge Official Account of September 11

    "Twenty-five former U.S. military officers have severely criticized the official account of 9/11 and called for a new investigation. They include former commander of U.S. Army Intelligence, Major General Albert Stubblebine, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense, Col. Ronald D. Ray, two former staff members of the Director of the National Security Agency; Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, PhD, and Major John M. Newman, PhD, and many others. They are among the rapidly growing number of military and intelligence service veterans, scientists, engineers, and architects challenging the government’s story. The officers’ statements appear below, listed alphabetically."
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    “My research led me to a much more important and timely question: the mystery of what really did happen on 9/11. Everything that seemed real, turned out to be false. The US government and the news media, once again, were lying to the world about the real terrorists and the public murder of 2,972 innocents on 9/11.
    “The ‘Patriot Act’ was actually written prior to 9/11 with the intention of destroying the US Cons ution and Bill of Rights. It was passed by Congress, based upon the government's myth of 9/11, which was in reality a staged hoax. 9/11 was scripted and executed by rogue elements of the military, FAA, intelligence, and private contractors working for the US government.

    “In addition to severely curtailing fundamental rights of Americans, the 9/11 crime was then used by this administration, the one I originally voted for and supported, to justify waging two preemptive wars (and most likely a third war), killing over 4,500 American soldiers, and killing over one million innocent Afghan and Iraqi people.

    “It was all premeditated. Treason, a false flag military operation, and betrayal of the trust of the American people were committed on 9/11 by the highest levels of the US government and not one person responsible for the crimes, or the cover-up, has been held accountable for the last six years.

    “After reading fifteen well-researched books, studying eight or nine DVD do entaries, and devoting months of personal research and investigation, I have arrived at one ultimate conclusion: The American government and the US Cons ution have been hijacked and subverted by a group of criminals that today are the real terrorists. They are in control of the US government and they have all violated their oaths of office and committed treason against their own citizens.”
    - Former U.S. Air Force pilot Lt. Jeff Dahlstrom

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    “As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.”
    Decorated with the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal for bravery under fire and the Purple Heart for injuries sustained in Viet Nam, Capt. Davis also served in the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area.

    Capt. Davis continued, “Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!

    “Finally, going over the hill and highway and crashing into the Pentagon right at the wall/ground interface is difficult for even a small slow single engine airplane and no way for a 757. Maybe the best pilot in the world could accomplish that but not these unskilled ‘terrorists’. Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a ‘Conspiracy Theory’ does not change the truth. It seems, ‘Something is rotten in the State’
    -- Capt. Daniel Davis is a former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director

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    “A lot of these pieces of information, taken together, prove that the official story, the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash. It’s impossible,” said Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret). With doctoral degrees in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, Col. Bowman served as Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter.

    “There’s a second group of facts having to do with the cover up,” continued Col. Bowman. “Taken together these things prove that high levels of our government don’t want us to know what happened and who’s responsible. Who gained from 9/11? Who covered up crucial information about 9/11? And who put out the patently false stories about 9/11 in the first place? When you take those three things together, I think the case is pretty clear that it’s highly placed individuals in the administration with all roads passing through Cheney.”

    Regarding the failure of NORAD to intercept the four hijacked planes on 9/11, Col. Bowman said, “I'm an old interceptor pilot. I know the drill. I've done it. I know how long it takes. I know the rules. … Critics of the government story on 9/11 have said: ‘Well, they knew about this, and they did nothing’. That's not true. If our government had done nothing that day and let normal procedure be followed, those planes, wherever they were, would have been intercepted, the Twin Towers would still be standing and thousands of dead Americans would still be alive.”


    During his 22-year Air Force career, Col. Bowman also served as the Head of the Department of Aeronautical Engineering and Assistant Dean at the U.S. Air Force Ins ute of Technology. He also flew over 100 combat missions in Viet Nam as a fighter pilot.
    -- Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD

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    What do they think really happened on 9/11?

    And tell me dan -- do you get all your news from Pakistani articles with no bylines?

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    Nevermind. It was just ripped off from the patriotsquestion911.com site.

    Why didn't you post this four months ago?

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    come on chump find the link to dr. marriotts youtube where he debunks patriot911questions.net

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    Why bother? These guys are all over the map. Get back to me when these guys agree on whether there were actually planes or not.

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    Bump. Because galileo is trying to spread his stupidity like mold on bread...

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    (Begin EDIT)
    FOR THOSE OF YOU READING THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME, SEE PAGES 3 AND 4 for the NIST FAQ that answers the biggest "truther" questions.(end EDIT)

    Since the 9-11 CTers like to copy and paste ad inifinitum, let's see if we can get some good stuff here.

    It might surprise you CTers but there is a whole cottage industry built up around your bull .

    They don't sell T-shirts, mugs, or crappy videos.

    http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/

    http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...24912447824934

    http://www.911mysteriesguide.com/

    http://www.911myths.com/WTC7_Lies.pdf

    Here is a gem: The 9-11 "truthers" in their own "like, words". Icky.
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...66640147&hl=en

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...w/1227842.html

    http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/

    http://wtc.nist.gov/

    http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm

    http://www.911myths.com/

    Best one out of all the lot so far:
    http://www.debunking911.com/

    Mike Walter talking about the plane hitting the pentagon, and how irritated he is with the 9-11 "truth" movement for lying about what he said.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycPUDktZpCU

    Link to a TON of debunking links:
    http://www.debunking911.com/links.htm

    Here ARE SOME REALLY PRECIOUS LINKS.

    9-11 "truth" scholars turning on each other. You thought they were unstable and kooky when they talk about the government, wait until they start talking about each other.

    http://www.911myths.com/html/911_infighting_links.html


    A whole page of youtube debunking videos

    A whole page of decent debunking links and one of the best ones so far.
    ueber-bump

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    Bump again. Galileo's thread shouldn't be above this one, where all that has already been debunked.

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    why did wtc 7 fall?All these intellectuals,someone please enlighten me.

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    An unfought fire affecting critical components of a unique structure built over an existing power substation brought down building 7.

    You're welcome.

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    Bump again. Galileo's thread shouldn't be above this one, where all that has already been debunked.


    Did I miss something? Where did you prove conclusively how WTC7 collapsed?

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    An unfought fire affecting critical components of a unique structure built over an existing power substation brought down building 7.
    Chumpy must have info that eludes NIST...


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    Did I miss something? Where did you prove conclusively how WTC7 collapsed?
    Where did you say what you think really happened on 9/11?

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    Chumpy must have info that eludes NIST...

    That's pretty obviously NIST's working hypothesis.

    What is yours?

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    Wow,How many other building caught fire and imploded onto themselves. There were some that were much closer to the actual site.

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    hat's pretty obviously NIST's working hypothesis.
    A working hypothesis that they have yet to release officially for peer analysis...after 7 years almost...

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    Wow,How many other building caught fire and imploded onto themselves. There were some that were much closer to the actual site.
    None were constructed like WTC 7.

    Building 5 experienced some serious collapses from fire too if you bothered to look.

    But I'm sure you aren't serious.

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    A working hypothesis that they have yet to release officially for peer analysis...after 7 years almost...
    They haven't worked on 7 for seven years.

    What is your theory again, dan?

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    Wow,How many other building caught fire and imploded onto themselves. There were some that were much closer to the actual site.
    ...that's easy....none...several building received catastrophic damage, but none collapsed onto themselves

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    A working hypothesis that they have yet to release officially for peer analysis...after 7 years almost...
    .......

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    What do either of you think really happened to building 7?

    Here's your chance.

    Spit it out.

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