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where are my links?
where are my links?
I'll wait to see what the official NIST report says.....
http://wtc.nist.gov/
The links at the beginning of this thread are quite useful as well.
Do you believe their final report about WTC 1 and 2?
Yes or no.
i thank you, 1 more question where was the wreckage from the pentagon attack? only one video camera was pointed at the worlds most secure building?
whoa bubba, i must read this info.i'm sure i'll catch you in here again.
Inside the Pentagon. There are several pictures that were released during the Moussaoui trial, and there is a new book about the firefighting effort there.
You can hear an interview with the authors here:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=90696597
That part, yes. There are several eyewitness accounts corroborating the plane's crashing into the pentagon. There are some other private security cameras that caught bits of the flight, but nothing as good as the actual Pentagon camera.only one video camera was pointed at the worlds most secure building?
this has not too much to do with 9/11 but what about the solid proof of enriched uranium? gotta answer 4 that too?
Enriched uranium where?
I have all kinds of problems with the run-up to the Iraq war, if that is what you are talking about. That's the subject of many other threads though.
last question and it has been fun.why did these things take so long to come out,yet war was going on within a year (might b mistaken,it's late)ith no solid proof on either country. yet still deal with pakistan,who i belive have admitted to trainng terrorist
There was all kinds of evidence that Al Qaeda was behind the attacks, and the hijackers did nothing to hide their iden ies. Many of them had known connections to Al Qaeda and Afghanistan. The Pentagon had no military plan for invading Afghanistan, so they went with a plan that the CIA had formulated late in the Clinton administration.
Iraq, again, is another story.
That's definitely a sticking point in US foreign policy. It's very difficult since the ISI basically created the Taliban and the lawless border region of Pakistan is indeed home to many terrorists.yet still deal with pakistan,who i belive have admitted to trainng terrorist
Right after 9/11, we gave Musharraf an ultimatum to work with us, and given the constraints of his own situation, he has cooperated. Iraq has been an enormous distraction from the festering problem of extremists in the border area of Pakistan.
8 years for a excuse?
Excuse for what?
I ask a lot of questions of the conspiracy theorists, but don't get any answers, just crappy links to conspiracy websites.
What kind of questions do you have that aren't being answered?
Here's a good summation of 1 and 2, 7 happened slightly different, but still collapsed after a half-day's worth of uncontrolled fires.
The link at the top gives the webpage with the Frequently Asked Questions. They scientifically address all of the main claims of conspiracy theorists.http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm
2. Why did NIST not consider a “controlled demolition” hypothesis with matching computer modeling and explanation as it did for the “pancake theory” hypothesis? A key critique of NIST’s work lies in the complete lack of analysis supporting a “progressive collapse” after the point of collapse initiation and the lack of consideration given to a controlled demolition hypothesis.
NIST conducted an extremely thorough three-year investigation into what caused the WTC towers to collapse, as explained in NIST’s dedicated Web site, http://wtc.nist.gov. This included consideration of a number of hypotheses for the collapses of the towers.
Some 200 technical experts—including about 85 career NIST experts and 125 leading experts from the private sector and academia—reviewed tens of thousands of do ents, interviewed more than 1,000 people, reviewed 7,000 segments of video footage and 7,000 photographs, analyzed 236 pieces of steel from the wreckage, performed laboratory tests and sophisticated computer simulations of the sequence of events that occurred from the moment the aircraft struck the towers until they began to collapse.
Based on this comprehensive investigation, NIST concluded that the WTC towers collapsed because: (1) the impact of the planes severed and damaged support columns, dislodged fireproofing insulation coating the steel floor trusses and steel columns, and widely dispersed jet fuel over multiple floors; and (2) the subsequent unusually large jet-fuel ignited multi-floor fires (which reached temperatures as high as 1,000 degrees Celsius) significantly weakened the floors and columns with dislodged fireproofing to the point where floors sagged and pulled inward on the perimeter columns. This led to the inward bowing of the perimeter columns and failure of the south face of WTC 1 and the east face of WTC 2, initiating the collapse of each of the towers. Both photographic and video evidence—as well as accounts from the New York Police Department aviation unit during a half-hour period prior to collapse—support this sequence for each tower.
NIST’s findings do not support the “pancake theory” of collapse, which is premised on a progressive failure of the floor systems in the WTC towers (the composite floor system—that connected the core columns and the perimeter columns—consisted of a grid of steel “trusses” integrated with a concrete slab; see diagram below). Instead, the NIST investigation showed conclusively that the failure of the inwardly bowed perimeter columns initiated collapse and that the occurrence of this inward bowing required the sagging floors to remain connected to the columns and pull the columns inwards. Thus, the floors did not fail progressively to cause a pancaking phenomenon.
Diagram of Composite WTC Floor System
NIST’s findings also do not support the “controlled demolition” theory since there is conclusive evidence that:
the collapse was initiated in the impact and fire floors of the WTC towers and nowhere else, and;
the time it took for the collapse to initiate (56 minutes for WTC 2 and 102 minutes for WTC 1) was dictated by (1) the extent of damage caused by the aircraft impact, and (2) the time it took for the fires to reach critical locations and weaken the structure to the point that the towers could not resist the tremendous energy released by the downward movement of the massive top section of the building at and above the fire and impact floors.
Video evidence also showed unambiguously that the collapse progressed from the top to the bottom, and there was no evidence (collected by NIST, or by the New York Police Department, the Port Authority Police Department or the Fire Department of New York) of any blast or explosions in the region below the impact and fire floors as the top building sections (including and above the 98th floor in WTC 1 and the 82nd floor in WTC 2) began their downward movement upon collapse initiation.
In summary, NIST found no corroborating evidence for alternative hypotheses suggesting that the WTC towers were brought down by controlled demolition using explosives planted prior to Sept. 11, 2001. NIST also did not find any evidence that missiles were fired at or hit the towers. Instead, photographs and videos from several angles clearly show that the collapse initiated at the fire and impact floors and that the collapse progressed from the initiating floors downward until the dust clouds obscured the view.
Other people have done some rather good, hard looks at the claims of the "grand evil conspiracy", and have put a lot of effort into it.
The main thing that the government is at fault for in 9-11 is that there was probably enough collectively known by various field agents and others to have stopped the plot, IF those agents, and agencies had actually been coordinated and the agencies themselves took the threat a bit more seriously.
A lot of people tried to cover their asses by claiming they didn't quite know enough to conclusively run things up the chain of command and get some more action.
That is about it. The information was there and known in bits and pieces, but nobody really put 2 and 2 together to come up with 4 and act on it.
There were no controlled demolitions, fake planes, lasers, missles, remote controlled jetliners, vast evil conspiracies, just a sad lack of coordination and 19 or 20 guys who really weren't afraid to kill and die in the process.
Tragic? Yes.
Preventable? Possibly.
Directly orchestrated by the government? No.
That is as far as it goes.
go to youtube and type in "hidden from eyes" what about the cut shapes on the central beams? how can a terrorist on a plane with a boxcutter cut the steel beams at an angle?
They can't.
The steelworkers cleaning up the site after the collapse could and did. This is the source of all the pictures that cause this mistaken impression.
This bit has been debunked already. I can provide links and youtube videos that show this.
Next question?
can i get those links?
you could just tell me and i'll do the work,no prob
http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htmcan i get those links?
There you go.
If you reaaaally want a youtube video or two, I can probably find one, but this should be sufficient.
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They have updated the link above since I last looked at it, and included youtube videos. No need to search.
I will check back later for your next question. Take care.
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