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    You know...Najera might be getting to that age where he is starting to think ring...plus it could be in a town he likes.


    I gotta think Najera is tired of playing for also-rans...also, he's a tough hard nosed player that always seems to wind up playing for pussy teams mostly, and he's probably tired of doing that...I don't think it's out of the question he might take less money(if it's not that much less).


    He might be seeing what he could get...but if he can't get that much more I think it's entirely possible he might opt for the Spurs if they are interested.
    Isn't this a bit like one of our contentions on why Maggette would sign with us even if he gets a better offer from another team? And we all know how it turned out

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    Spurs are about 11 million under the luxury tax or so...
    Lets say Kurt cost 5 mil and we use the remaining 4 mil of our exceptions that leaves us with 2 million to go. Then we sign Hill and one more and we are done. That is cutting it close.

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    Sounds like Najera is using the Spurs' interest simply to get a better deal out of the Nets.
    We can only hope.

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    Do the contracts of players under the reserves roster also count against the salary cap?

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    I've hated Najera for a very long time. Would be fitting if he signed with the Spurs.

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    Isn't this a bit like one of our contentions on why Maggette would sign with us even if he gets a better offer from another team? And we all know how it turned out
    Apples and Oranges. Najera may give up maybe 2 million or so through the life of the contract while Magette would have had to have given up closer to 30.

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    Sounds like Najera is using the Spurs' interest simply to get a better deal out of the Nets.
    Pretty much.

    Although, makes you wonder how much they just spent on Hayes.

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    I've made peace with us pursuing Najera. At one point he seemed like another Mark Madsen, but in now being able to hit the 3 at a surprising rate, who wouldn't rather have him then Bonner at this point, especially because Pop doesn't really want to play Bonner.

    If we could trade Bonner and somehow get both Najera and KT I would feel good about having some sort of toughness down on the block.

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    Apples and Oranges. Najera may give up maybe 2 million or so through the life of the contract while Magette would have had to have given up closer to 30.
    Well, I guess the amount would be quite big, but I just couldn't put off my mind that Najera might actually not put winning above a better earn.

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    I don't give a about Najera without signing Kurt Thomas...until that deal is inked consider me apprehensive.

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    Do the contracts of players under the reserves roster also count against the salary cap?
    Can anyone answer this question?

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    Yes, such as Ian's did last year.

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    Well, I guess the amount would be quite big, but I just couldn't put off my mind that Najera might actually not put winning above a better earn.
    All in all I epect Najera to sign elsewhere for more money. But the truth is that money will start to dry up soon, and I'm not in his head. He's obviously not having his door torn down with teams offering contracts so I think there's small hope of him coming here. In any case, it isn't nearly the paycut that a player of Magette's stature would have to take.

    I'm a big fan of his hustle play. I think its something the Spurs have lacked since they traded Malik Rose. Jerome Kersey before him filed that same role. Its good to have a big man who comes in to mix it up and just play hard with the ability to make things happen on the court. Its what you saw Perkins/Powe do for the Celtics this year. Najera is what he is. There's really no room for growth at this stage in his career, but he's great on defense and his increased range is a nice plus. I think he's the kind of player that ever team in the NBA could use, which makes it weird someoen hasn't thrown the MLE at him.

    In either case, I have my fingers crossed the Spurs bring him in but I do not believe its likely due to the cap room the Spurs have left.

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    I know at least two of Najera's brothers live in San Antonio. I'm guessing the Spurs probably have some sort of an advantage if the money is close. But yeah, like Manny said, you have to think some NBA team will realize what he brings to the table and sign him up.

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    Yes, such as Ian's did last year.
    Tnx, because I was thinking of the seeming roster make up, and what you said about having 11M under salary cap.

    you have 10 players already

    Duncan/Oberto/Bonner/Mahinmi
    Bowen/Udoka
    Parker/Mason/Ginobili/Vaugh

    You sign KT for 5M, then Hill for less than an M per year. Maybe sign one of our rookies in the reserves list. It seems we'll still have above 4M under the cap to spend for two more reserves to complete our roster.

    Is it tenable for us to match a 7M offer for KT if he does get an offer like that elsewhere?

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    All in all I epect Najera to sign elsewhere for more money. But the truth is that money will start to dry up soon, and I'm not in his head. He's obviously not having his door torn down with teams offering contracts so I think there's small hope of him coming here. In any case, it isn't nearly the paycut that a player of Magette's stature would have to take.

    I'm a big fan of his hustle play. I think its something the Spurs have lacked since they traded Malik Rose. Jerome Kersey before him filed that same role. Its good to have a big man who comes in to mix it up and just play hard with the ability to make things happen on the court. Its what you saw Perkins/Powe do for the Celtics this year. Najera is what he is. There's really no room for growth at this stage in his career, but he's great on defense and his increased range is a nice plus. I think he's the kind of player that ever team in the NBA could use, which makes it weird someoen hasn't thrown the MLE at him.

    In either case, I have my fingers crossed the Spurs bring him in but I do not believe its likely due to the cap room the Spurs have left.
    Well Najera is someone you'd hate if he is in the opposing team, and love if he is in yours. He just plays rough and tough against anyone, even against your all star bigs. Yeah he reminds me also of Malik Rose and I don't think we've had someone like him in the past years since we traded Malik.

    And I guess, seeing that his stature will always be of a dependable role and defensive player, and that his market value will not astronomically increase suddenly in the near future, it would be fool hardy also on his part not to take the best money out there.

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    Tnx, because I was thinking of the seeming roster make up, and what you said about having 11M under salary cap.

    you have 10 players already

    Duncan/Oberto/Bonner/Mahinmi
    Bowen/Udoka
    Parker/Mason/Ginobili/Vaugh

    You sign KT for 5M, then Hill for less than an M per year. Maybe sign one of our rookies in the reserves list. It seems we'll still have above 4M under the cap to spend for two more reserves to complete our roster.

    Is it tenable for us to match a 7M offer for KT if he does get an offer like that elsewhere?
    That is where it could get tricky..As you said we have 10 players already, if you add Kurt and Hill that is 12, leaving us 3 spots and 4 million. All we have left if 2 exceptions worth about 2 million each. So that puts us right at the luxury tax line.

    That scenario is assuming Kurt at 5 million (close to the full MLE which most teams have to offer). If Kurt gets a 6-7 million offer I do not know if the Spurs would match because that would almost guarantee we pay luxury tax. The thing I do not like about the situation is that he is an unrestricted free agent and does not even have to give the Spurs a chance to match. He did not get used in the Lakers series either, so he might be miffed. Do not know.

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    That is where it could get tricky..As you said we have 10 players already, if you add Kurt and Hill that is 12, leaving us 3 spots and 4 million. All we have left if 2 exceptions worth about 2 million each. So that puts us right at the luxury tax line.

    That scenario is assuming Kurt at 5 million (close to the full MLE which most teams have to offer). If Kurt gets a 6-7 million offer I do not know if the Spurs would match because that would almost guarantee we pay luxury tax. The thing I do not like about the situation is that he is an unrestricted free agent and does not even have to give the Spurs a chance to match. He did not get used in the Lakers series either, so he might be miffed. Do not know.
    But if we could sign three reserves (presumably our two other rookies plus another one) and give them the minimum of less than an M, would that give us sufficient amount to match a 6 - 7M offer to KT?

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    But if we could sign three reserves (presumably our two other rookies plus another one) and give them the minimum of less than an M, would that give us sufficient amount to match a 6 - 7M offer to KT?
    Yes, but are the Spurs 1) going to want 3 rookies on their roster and 2) is Kurt going to give them a chance to match? He does not have to...

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    That scenario leaves us with no insurance in case Ian does not pan out. Our only bigs would be Kurt, Oberto, Ian and Bonner outside of Duncan.

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    That is where it could get tricky..As you said we have 10 players already, if you add Kurt and Hill that is 12, leaving us 3 spots and 4 million. All we have left if 2 exceptions worth about 2 million each. So that puts us right at the luxury tax line.

    That scenario is assuming Kurt at 5 million (close to the full MLE which most teams have to offer). If Kurt gets a 6-7 million offer I do not know if the Spurs would match because that would almost guarantee we pay luxury tax. The thing I do not like about the situation is that he is an unrestricted free agent and does not even have to give the Spurs a chance to match. He did not get used in the Lakers series either, so he might be miffed. Do not know.
    He can't get that kind of an offer unless the Clips decide to offer him that much. They are the ONLY team with the cap room to do it. Well memphis does too i believe but that would not make the least bit of sense.

    Worst case is a 3 year MLE type deal that the Spurs have to beat.

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    That scenario leaves us with no insurance in case Ian does not pan out. Our only bigs would be Kurt, Oberto, Ian and Bonner outside of Duncan.
    Well, I guess it would be a matter of other teams being able to outspend us again. And if we do lose KT, I guess adding Najera for some help would become a reasonable option.

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    He can get a ~6 million dollar deal from a lot of teams though (full MLE). Golden state still has plenty of money as well, although they need to sign some of their own FA's but I think they have Bird Rights on them.

    The money is not the part that bothers me, it is the UFA part.

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    He can't get that kind of an offer unless the Clips decide to offer him that much. They are the ONLY team with the cap room to do it. Well memphis does too i believe but that would not make the least bit of sense.

    Worst case is a 3 year MLE type deal that the Spurs have to beat.
    If they have to beat an MLE offer, that puts them over 6 million a year on him, which would leave us 5 million under the tax line with 4 spots to fill.

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