Rockets Sign Brent Barry

[MannyIsGod]

I honestly don't see Finley in next year's rotatino and I'm not convinced they're going to bring him back at all. I think Pop feels indebted to him a bit, but not that much since he got his ring.

[whottt]

The biggest negatives I see about this offseason is that in terms of experienced players the Spurs are trading youth for intelligence and they aren't getting that much more athletic or talented in the trade off.


Barry is probably about the second or third smartest offensive player in the NBA(behind Paul and Nash) and Horry is the smartest player in the NBA period...

Both are smarter players on the court(Barry on offense) than Pop is smart as a coach...


I'd take Horry over Kurt Thomas 8 days a week...it's not like Kurt Thomas is known for his health or anything...inspite of his rep as being a smart player I have seen him make plenty of stupid ing plays in only about a third of the season as a Spur...in fact I saw him make more stupid plays in the Hornets series alone than I've seen Horry make in his entire career...

On top of that KT couldn't hit a meaningful shot to save his life...it's not like he shot better than Horry....and at least Horry is clutch.

Oh well...at least we got some one to put on Shaq now because that's a huge key to winning a le with the Steve Nash/Shaq O'neal led defense oriented youthful Suns in the hunt :major ingrolleyes

[T Park]

I honestly don't see Finley in next year's rotatino and I'm not convinced they're going to bring him back at all. I think Pop feels indebted to him a bit, but not that much since he got his ring.

Agreed.

I don't get where everyone is getting that the Spurs are definately bringing him back outside of a few reports from McDonald.

[whottt]

Wipe your tears with bull Kleenex from someone Else's box and don't try and filibuster argument that BS either.

1. Go yourself.
2. Take Finley with you when you do it...

Choker lover. You don't know .

[whottt]

Say the Spurs also dump Finley. Is it a positive or negative net outcome if the Spurs lose both Finley and Barry ... in whottt's eyes, of course.

I said all along, regardless of what else happens, if Michael Finley is on this team next season, this offseason will be a failure.

[T Park]

I'd take Horry over Kurt Thomas 8 days a week...it's not like Kurt Thomas is known for his health or anything...inspite of his rep as being a smart player I have seen him make plenty of stupid ing plays in only about a third of the season as a Spur...in fact I saw him make more stupid plays in the Hornets series alone than I've seen Horry make in his entire career...

On top of that KT couldn't hit a meaningful shot to save his life...it's not like he shot better than Horry....and at least Horry is clutch.

Oh well...at least we got some one to put on Shaq now because that's a huge key to winning a le with the Steve Nash/Shaq O'neal led defense oriented youthful Suns in the hunt :major ingrolleyes

I see Kurt Thomas is gonna take over for Michael Finley in your childish blind baseless hatred of a Spur.

[MannyIsGod]

The biggest negatives I see about this offseason is that in terms of experienced players the Spurs are trading youth for intelligence and they aren't getting that much more athletic or talented in the trade off.


Barry is probably about the second or third smartest offensive player in the NBA(behind Paul and Nash) and Horry is the smartest player in the NBA period...

Both are smarter players on the court(Barry on offense) than Pop is smart as a coach...


I'd take Horry over Kurt Thomas 8 days a week...it's not like Kurt Thomas is known for his health or anything...inspite of his rep as being a smart player I have seen him make plenty of stupid ing plays in only about a third of the season as a Spur...in fact I saw him make more stupid plays in the Hornets series alone than I've seen Horry make in his entire career...

On top of that KT couldn't hit a meaningful shot to save his life...it's not like he shot better than Horry....and at least Horry is clutch.

Oh well...at least we got some one to put on Shaq now because that's a huge key to winning a le with the Steve Nash/Shaq O'neal led defense oriented youthful Suns in the hunt :major ingrolleyes

I don't think you're giving KT the credit he deserves. He was lost on offense for much of the time with the Spurs, but at the same time he was a late season pickup so it not like he had forever to gel.

His jumper is silky smooth and given time to develop cohesion the pick and roll game with him will be a good source of our offense.

Horry is just done. I agree his brain was great, but man the Spurs palyed four on five last season in the playoffs with him on the court. It was painful how bad he was at times. His defense was still there once or twice in the post season but otherwise he was just plain done.

I love Barry for a lot of the same reasons you did, but I honestly feel the Spurs are going back to their defensive roots, and he doens't fit in with that scenario.

These guys were great, and they may have a tiny bit left in the tank but you have to move on at some point. The Spurs gave them a shot last season and it was just painful to watch their vets play at times. While Barry was by far the best he also spent much of the season sidelined due to an injury that occured twice in the year. You have to take his possible health issues into consideration as well.

[T Park]

1. Go yourself.
2. Take Finley with you when you do it...

Choker lover. You don't know .

So you have no arguement. Typical.

[timvp]

I said all along, regardless of what else happens, if Michael Finley is on this team next season, this offseason will be a failure.

So if Finley is off the team, the offseason will be a success?

[whottt]

I honestly don't see Finley in next year's rotatino and I'm not convinced they're going to bring him back at all.

I hope you're right.

I think Pop feels indebted to him a bit, but not that much since he got his ring.

What is Pop indebted to him for? He didn't do for this team...he came here to nutride a ring when we were the defending champions, after being a complete about Bruce Bowen...he did it to stick it to the Mavs more than anything else(plus he figured it was his best shot at a ring)...

And then he stuck it to the Mavs, in a loss...BFD...Steve Smith stuck it to Portland...I didn't feel indebted to him for it.


I've pretty much decided...chokers always play well against their old teams(and pretty much no one else).....

[whottt]

So if Finley is off the team, the offseason will be a success?

More of one than if he is on it...

[whottt]

I don't think you're giving KT the credit he deserves. He was lost on offense for much of the time with the Spurs, but at the same time he was a late season pickup so it not like he had forever to gel.

He bricked open shot after open shot...his shot.

His jumper is silky smooth and given time to develop cohesion the pick and roll game with him will be a good source of our offense.

Old broken down Horry > Old broken down Kurt Thomas.

Horry is just done.

And Kurt Thomas isn't?

I agree his brain was great, but man the Spurs palyed four on five last season in the playoffs with him on the court. It was painful how bad he was at times. His defense was still there once or twice in the post season but otherwise he was just plain done.

And Kurt Thomas looked done against everyone but the Suns...

I love Barry for a lot of the same reasons you did, but I honestly feel the Spurs are going back to their defensive roots, and he doens't fit in with that scenario.

It doesn't matter how defense oriented the Spurs are...they only win les win they can hit open shots and the Spurs lost two of their double proof guys in Barry and Horry...and the offense was the reason the Lakers beat the Spurs...not their D.

These guys were great, and they may have a tiny bit left in the tank but you have to move on at some point.

Finley has less in the tank than Barry...

And I don't think Kurt Thomas has ever had more in the tank than Horry when it comes to winning.

The Spurs gave them a shot last season and it was just painful to watch their vets play at times. While Barry was by far the best he also spent much of the season sidelined due to an injury that occured twice in the year. You have to take his possible health issues into consideration as well.

Kurt Thomas is injury prone...

Finley may not be injured...but he's got no legs left....and since he can't do but score even with legs...that's a losing proposition for the Spurs...on the deep bench, or anywhere else.

[MannyIsGod]

Kurt Thomas looked far from done. He didn't look great at times, but considering the situation I wasn't that suprised. He ALWAYS looked good on D and on the boards last year though.

Horry - on the other hand - look absolutely pathetic on offense. It was sad seeing a great player reduced to such ineffectiveness. He had one game in the entire playoffs where he looked OK on D when he did decently against Odom, but that was about it.

I'm sorry, but there is no way in Horry looked better than Kurt Thomas at any point last season.

[MannyIsGod]

Whottt, Horry shot 19 percent from the field in the playoffs. 19 ing percent! If thats not done, I don't know what is.

[whottt]

Horry had a rough season last year...he's never been that injured before, he had some sort of personal problems at the beginning of the season...Horry was bigger part of the victory over the Hornets than Thomas was.

If he man says he's not done, he's not done IMO. Horry knows his limitations...that's one of his strenghts.

Kurt Thomas always has been and always will be a better rebounder than Horry...but Horry brings a lot more in terms of intangibles and Horry has the versatility to change momentum in a variety of ways...


Horry is smarter than Pop is...at least when it comes to basketball. It's just like Pop said...you can tell him to do something, and he'll go out there and do something else that you never thought of, and it'll be better than what you thought of. It's like if something happens that no one else has ever seen before or was expecting, some sort of situation where everyone is lost and no one else knows what do do...Horry knows what to do, and there is nothing physical about it...Horry is never lost in those situations...it's just a tremendous intangible, and he still had it last season if you ask me.


And he's still not going to be dared to shoot by anyone...it took teams about 2 games to figure out daring KT to shoot was a winning proposition.


If we're going old guys...I like Horry and Barry better than Thomas and Finley...if we're dumping old guys...then let's dump them all. At least our young guys will be ready in 2010 then...and I think Horry and Barry have more to teach the young guys than Finley and Thomas as well.



Pop likes Thomas and Finley because they are yes men basically, that he can control...whereas Barry and Finley aren't. I've seen this sort of Pop team before...and I don't like it. Pop needs a least a couple of guys that he can't control on the roster...because he's not that smart of a coach and if everyone does exactly what he says...we don't win championships.

[Mr. Body]

Officially now, the team is worse than last year's and significantly worse than the championship team of 2007.

[MannyIsGod]

Hearing Mr. Body's take makes me feel more assured the Spurs are headed in the right direction.

[Mr. Body]

Hearing Mr. Body's take makes me feel more assured the Spurs are headed in the right direction.

Wow are you an idiot. Have you looked what's going on?

[nil.ball]

"You have no soul. "

[Mr. Body]

Probably need to resign Finley now. All the bench guards cannot yet be counted on. Maybe they turn out okay, but you have rookies and a guy in Mason who had one year of success only and will need to learn the system. I don't see them not signing Finley at this point.

[Texas_Ranger]

Bye, Bye!

[MannyIsGod]

That unproven you talk about in Mason did better last year than both those provens you're talking about in Finley and Barry in a much less favorable situation.

[angelbelow]

I honestly don't see Finley in next year's rotatino and I'm not convinced they're going to bring him back at all. I think Pop feels indebted to him a bit, but not that much since he got his ring.

good point.

[TDMVPDPOY]

this team looks compared to the 03 team which was the worst spurs championship roster

[whottt]

I'm still trying to figure out why in the Pop is indebted to Finley? Because he played well against the Mavs in 06? In a loss?

Because he took less to play here? So did Rasho. And Barry...and Horry...and Bruce and Manu and Tony and Duncan etc.