Trade Exception Possibilities

[timvp]

$2.2M is their 2008-2009 salaries. For 2007-2008, their salaries is around $1.8M. So if you do the trade before July, you can do Pecherov + McGuire for the Beno TE.

Are you sure that last year's salaries would be used? If that were the case, couldn't the Spurs trade Michael Finley on draft day using last year's salary?

[Bruno]

Are you sure that last year's salaries would be used? If that were the case, couldn't the Spurs trade Michael Finley on draft day using last year's salary?

Yes, I'm sure of that.
You can't trade Finley because you aren't allowed to trade expiring contracts after the deadline. You also aren't allowed to trade players who could become expiring contracts with a player, team or early termination option.

In the Rasho trade, Eric Williams had a player option for the next year and he had to pick it before the trade to make it legal.

[timvp]

Yes, I'm sure of that.
You can't trade Finley because you aren't allowed to trade expiring contracts after the deadline. You also aren't allowed to trade players who could become expiring contracts with a player, team or early termination option.

In the Rasho trade, Eric Williams had a player option for the next year and he had to pick it before the trade to make it legal.

Niiice. That trade exception is more valuable than I thought ... at least during the draft.

Thanks again

So that means Jarrett Jack for the 26th pick is possible

[silk]

Jarett jack would be great, but there's two questions ; are there better offers than ours on the table for the blazers ?

Will they trade in their own conference ?

[tav1]

Niiice. That trade exception is more valuable than I thought ... at least during the draft.

Thanks again

So that means Jarrett Jack for the 26th pick is possible

The Blazers are trying to shed picks, not pick them up. If they did that, it would be to draft and stash a player like Batum. But right now they already have too many players and not enough roster spots.

[ATXSPUR]

we're screwed!!!!!

[Marcus Bryant]

As the night progresses, Grunfeld may also elect to trade either or both picks for selections in future drafts.

Amidst all of the uncertainty, it is very likely that the Wizards aren't going to land an instant-impact player at the 18th spot. Grunfeld has repeatedly stated his intentions of retaining free agents Gilbert Arenas and Antawn Jamison and the roster is deep with veterans. Plus the team had three rookies last season in Pecherov, Nick Young and Dominic McGuire and has a 21-year old in forward Andray Blatche, so the roster doesn't have much room for more developmental cases.

WaPo

[Bruno]

Regarding Williams, Bird said: "He's on thin ice. I've had enough, really, so if we can look and do something and get something back, we'll probably do it. But if we don't he's on very thin ice here."

http://www.wthr.com/global/story.asp?s=8547059

And Pacers are in luxury tax trouble. A trade exception is the perfect return for Shawne Williams.

[tav1]

http://www.wthr.com/global/story.asp?s=8547059

And Pacers are in luxury tax trouble. A trade exception is the perfect return for Shawne Williams.

Thanks for this, Bruno. You're right. The question is where does Williams rank against the wings we might get at #26. I know I prefer Rush and Lee, and probably Batum and Walker. Hmmm.

Also, with the Blazers inexplicably adding another 1st, their liklihood to lose a player for a TE is growing. There is no question that Sergio is in play, but maybe Jack isn't as far out of reach as I previously thought.

[timvp]

http://www.wthr.com/global/story.asp?s=8547059

And Pacers are in luxury tax trouble. A trade exception is the perfect return for Shawne Williams.

I'd like that trade. Williams is a 6-foot-9 small forward who has a lot of skill. He's a bit of a knucklehead but at 22 years old, he'd likely be a first round draft pick if available in this draft.

Williams for the trade exception and a second rounder is probably fair to both teams.

[T Park]

Shawne Williams has Stephen Jackson written all over him.

What could it hurt to bring him over and let him sit behind the bench?

[Bruno]

Thanks for this, Bruno. You're right. The question is where does Williams rank against the wings we might get at #26. I know I prefer Rush and Lee, and probably Batum and Walker. Hmmm.

If Spurs don't draft Batum or Donté Greene, Shawne Williams is a heck of plan B.

He is young and talented. His off-the-court issues could be solved in a new city within a strong organization.
If Pacers are ready to trade him for a TE and cash/second round pick(s), he is one of the best way to use the TE.

[tav1]

If Spurs don't draft Batum or Donté Greene, Shawne Williams is a heck of plan B.

He is young and talented. His off-the-court issues could be solved in a new city within a strong organization.
If Pacers are ready to trade him for a TE and cash/second round pick(s), he is one of the best way to use the TE.

I agree, and I'd rather have him then, say, Green. And if he is available for the TE, the Spurs might role the dice on a player like Walker or go away from immediate need and draft a big like Hibbert, if there.

But again, because of his at ude and still unproven game, I'd prefer a player like Lee. But it's good to know he is in the mix. I wouldn't complain if we turned Beno Udrih into Shawne Williams. I'm happy.

[TDMVPDPOY]

hey andrew bogut opted out of his final year on his rookie contract,

his lookin for 80m......

should we sign and trade for him?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

to the no.

[AFBlue]

Bump...

In light of the Spurs looking to add young swingmen and apparently needing to add one or two more pieces without the luxury of $$, I figured it would be a good time to bring this topic back up. Quoted below is the original post by timvp is a list of potential acquisitions with the Beno Trade Exception.

Thanks to the Beno Udrih trade, the Spurs currently have a trade exception worth $1.847M that expires on Oct. 29th. This is an overlooked asset the Spurs have this summer that may help them bring in an additional piece to the puzzle.

The best way to use this trade exception is to combine it with draft picks or cash to obtain a player with moderate value. You could also use it to get a player with low value without having to add draft picks or cash if the other team is simply looking to save money or open a roster spot.

Here are some players the Spurs could potentially target:

Renaldo Balkman and Wilson Chandler, New York Knicks
With Donnie Walsh now in control of the Knicks, he may look to trade away some of the players with direct ties to Isiah Thomas. Balkman would be a fantastic option for the Spurs because he's a great rebounder who also gets blocks and steals at the small forward position. The problem would be the Spurs would have to likely give up a lot of assets. Offering the 26th pick and the 45th pick for Balkman might get Walsh's attention but probably won't be enough. Chandler doesn't have as much value but he's another athletic small forward who could fit on the Spurs. Chandler for the 45th and a future second would make sense if Walsh is just looking to clean house.

Daequan Cook, Miami Heat
Cook was the number one target last year for the Spurs in the draft. He showed pretty good promise last year as a rookie on the Heat. The Heat don't really have reason to trade him but perhaps they'd like someone in this draft more than Cook. They have a pick at the beginning and a pick in the middle. If there is someone around 26 they like, Cook would likely be who the Spurs ask for in return.

Sean Williams, New Jersey Nets
Williams is a weedhead with a lackadaisical at ude who also has a low basketball IQ. That said, he's a prolific shotblocker. The Spurs could definitely use a shotblocker who is quick enough to play next to Duncan. Williams fell out of favor late in the year last season and there is talk of the Nets taking another big in the draft this year, so perhaps Williams is the odd man out. Williams for 26 and money could work for both sides.

Shawne Williams, Indiana Pacers
Same name, same flaws. Williams has gotten in trouble a few times and the Pacers are looking to clean up their image. He's a big, long small forward who has an outside shooting touch. Still a bit of a project, he might be attainable for something like a pair of second rounders and cash.

Rodney Carney, Philadelphia 76ers
At this point, Carney is just a good athlete who can also shoot a little bit from the outside. He actually regressed a bit in his second year in the NBA. The Spurs may be intrigued by his raw potential and would give the Sixers two second rounders and cash.

Morris Almond, Utah Jazz
Almond is a natural scorer who averaged 26 points per game in the D-League last season -- including a 51 point outburst against the Austin Toros. The Jazz will likely target a shooting guard this summer in free agency or the draft and if they land one, they may think that there isn't enough room for both Almond and Ronnie Brewer. Almond for the 26th pick and cash may work for both teams.

Marco Belinelli, Golden State Warriors
Belinelli was a bust as a rookie and to top it off, he refused to go to D-League. He can shoot and score but other than that, he does nothing on the basketball court. I don't think the Spurs would be too interested, then again he's a foreign prospect so you never know.

Sergio Rodriguez, Portland Trail Blazers
He's basically in the same boat with Belinelli. Rodriguez flashes talent but he's a turnover machine who doesn't seem capable of running a team. Perhaps the Spurs will look at him as a backup point guard option ... but I doubt it.

Quincy Douby, Sacramento Kings
He has been a bust for the Kings but the Spurs may like his ability to shoot the three and the Kings may want to give him away to simply open a roster spot.

Oleksiy Pecherov, Washington Wizards
A ChumpDumper favorite, I haven't seen Pecherov do much other than shoot flat-footed threes a la Sam Perkins. At seven-foot, he has the potential to spread the floor.

I would personally love to get Wilson Chandler in the fold and know that he was a pick of the former Thomas regime....great athlete, can play multiple positions, and can be sent to the d-league for seasoning. I like Gist and all, but this kid would be an upgrade.

[spurman20]

I dont like alot of guys on the list for diff reasons but I like Pecherov...he would be a nice pc of the bench......chandler is also nice.....but I like david lee, or as a pipe dream ....Krystic form Jersey who they are looking to get rid of....the guy avg 16 a game a yr ago and is only 25

[Big P]

You can take Rodriguez & Belinelli off that list..no way we get those guys for anything we have to offer.

[AFBlue]

You can take Rodriguez & Belinelli off that list..no way we get those guys for anything we have to offer.

I don't think the Spurs really need Rodriguez or Belinelli at this point.

I think they'd take Dequan Cook, just because they had him so highly rated as a draft prospect....but he doesn't really fill a need position.

Given their draft and FA signing, I think they would likely target a SF. Of the ones available, I think I'd most like to get Chandler. He's a guy known for his defense and seems to have a better head on his shoulders than Williams.

[Big P]

I don't think the Spurs really need Rodriguez or Belinelli at this point.

I think they'd take Dequan Cook, just because they had him so highly rated as a draft prospect....but he doesn't really fill a need position.

Given their draft and FA signing, I think they would likely target a SF. Of the ones available, I think I'd most like to get Chandler. He's a guy known for his defense and seems to have a better head on his shoulders than Williams.

Doesn't matter that we dont need them, the thread asks about TE possibilities & I just said that we couldn't get those guys with anything we have..and I disagree about Belenilli, he can score, he didn't get much of a chance for consitent minutes, but he can score & that is the ONLY thing we need now.

[angelbelow]

how about one of the nets bigmen? they certainly have a few.

[coopdogg3]

I dont like alot of guys on the list for diff reasons but I like Pecherov...he would be a nice pc of the bench......chandler is also nice.....but I like david lee, or as a pipe dream ....Krystic form Jersey who they are looking to get rid of....the guy avg 16 a game a yr ago and is only 25

Well, you shouldn't like a lot of guys on the list. We can get a $2 million contract with our Beno exception. There's a reason these guys make so little.

I would like another big on the team, there should be some minutes there. Spurs also need to get on the ball and resign KT already.

[Blackjack]

I know Chandler and Mcguire were thought of as similar players going into the '07 draft, and I remember Chandler being projected as the better pro by most... But that's pretty much the extent of my knowledge on Chandler.

I've been advocating for McGuire for awhile now but if Chandler is comparable/better? The Spurs need to see if the Knicks are willing to talk.

I remember D. Collins joking about the possibility of a Spurs-Knicks trade after the whole plane fiasco, but maybe there's some truth to it? Would the Knicks like to shed a little payroll with our exception or be interested in a guy like Bonner in D'antoni's offense? It's worth the Spurs to at least look into it.

I really believe we need to have some size at the wing that can rebound the position, while giving us some defensive versatility. While my first choice was McGuire, I realize he's probably not on the Spurs' radar. Gist could possibly fill that role (although a different player than McGuire) but he's a rookie who's not even guaranteed a roster spot. So maybe Chandler is the best option available.

With the Knicks drafting Gallinari (who's going to need min.) and already having Jeffries, Balkman, and Chandler? (Seems a bit over-kill) Chandler could be expendable.

[tav1]

Chandler, Balkman and Pecherov would all work fine. Might need to sweeten the pot with a 2nd, but it's pretty clear that the Knicks and Wiz might not want these players due to roster space and cap reasons. They're definately available to the right bidder.

Balkman could play right away, if need be. Probably wouldn't, but could. It'd be nice to have his Bird Rights. Chandler and Pecherov would be sent to Austin, no doubt.

I'm not sure if it would work under the cap, but I'd take any of these three at the expense of two second round draft picks, instead of a combination of TE and pick. Other than the Golden State pick, these three represent better value than what we could get in the mid to late second next draft.

[tav1]

I know Chandler and Mcguire were thought of as similar players going into the '07 draft, and I remember Chandler being projected as the better pro by most... But that's pretty much the extent of my knowledge on Chandler.

I've been advocating for McGuire for awhile now but if Chandler is comparable/better? The Spurs need to see if the Knicks are willing to talk.

I remember D. Collins joking about the possibility of a Spurs-Knicks trade after the whole plane fiasco, but maybe there's some truth to it? Would the Knicks like to shed a little payroll with our exception or be interested in a guy like Bonner in D'antoni's offense? It's worth the Spurs to at least look into it.

I really believe we need to have some size at the wing that can rebound the position, while giving us some defensive versatility. While my first choice was McGuire, I realize he's probably not on the Spurs' radar. Gist could possibly fill that role (although a different player than McGuire) but he's a rookie who's not even guaranteed a roster spot. So maybe Chandler is the best option available.

With the Knicks drafting Gallinari (who's going to need min.) and already having Jeffries, Balkman, and Chandler? (Seems a bit over-kill) Chandler could be expendable.

Good thought. But I'd bet the Knicks would't do this unless we took back unfavorable payroll and contract length. And if we're not getting Lee or Crawford, then I'd rather aim small and go after Chandler or Balkman with the trade exception.