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Don't you freaks have anything better to do on a Sunday afternoon.
To me, this nails it exactly on the head. Lets look at two scenarios then.
Lets say the Spurs value him. If the Spurs know that the only two teams that are "seriously" linked to him are the Lakers and Heat. They also know that the Lakers will have to pay luxury tax for him and the Heat can only offer him a 2 year deal for cap space purposes, then why do you not step up? If you value him, why wait?
Scenario 2: What if the Spurs do not value him enough to make a compe ive offer? They have not stepped up yet to do so. Then where does that leave the Spur's big man situation. Who else is on the FA market that fits in with what we do, for the money. What trades could they pull off, if they wanted to go that route.
Don't you freaks have anything better to do on a Sunday afternoon.
This thread is a classic example of Spurs fans thirsting for something to talk about in the offseason. If you all didn't want to participate in his KT Watch, then you could have just ignored the thread. But instead, you argued about nothing for two pages.
I can't wait til tomorrow when Mahinmi has 10 fouls and Hill sucks in the summer league game, so then there will be something to talk about
I understand letting the market set the value. Another side of negotiations, especially with someone you value, is stepping up to make someone happy. Like Gilbert Arenas for example. They "let the market set his value" which was a 95 million dollar offer. They could of just slightly beat that, but they went above and beyond and in turn, Gilbert returned the favor. That is the point I am trying to get across. If you really need/like someone you can make an offer that is fair, that you can live with and possibly end the chance of anything bad happening. For example, say we offer Kurt 3 years at 3.5 million. If he says yes, and then we read a report that the only other offer he had was from the Lakers was 2.5 million, are the Spurs really upset? No. If he says no, well at least then they can say, ok, we just wanted to extend an offer, go play the field and we will match. Then if he gets only a 3 million dollar offer, Spurs can say, our offer is still on the table. If he gets more, then the Spurs can say, you are right and we want to match.
Last edited by DPG21920; 07-13-2008 at 03:37 PM.
Guess thats where my frame of mind differs from yours. I just think it is good to get things done as soon as possible, especially when it is not for a lot of money, yet still important.
True, just clamoring over the one guy that I think the Spurs must get back. Trying to see what others thought about it. Nothing else to talk about and this is our most pressing Free Agent issue at the moment.This thread is a classic example of Spurs fans thirsting for something to talk about in the offseason. If you all didn't want to participate in his KT Watch, then you could have just ignored the thread. But instead, you argued about nothing for two pages.
I can't wait til tomorrow when Mahinmi has 10 fouls and Hill sucks in the summer league game, so then there will be something to talk about
Washington has a history of doing dumb deals. They signed Juwan Howard to a deal over $100M!! Doesn't mean we need to do the same dumb thing.
Do you think making Kurt an offer before another team has made him one is dumb?
Yes. You're negotiating against no one but yourself. Why pay him 2 years $8M when you can have him for 2 years $4M? It's stupid.
No one on the Spurs, outside of the Big 3, is irreplacable. Washington paid Arenas because he's a big baby. If Thomas is a big baby, he needs to move on. If not, they'll reach a deal. He knows he's not getting anything CLOSE to that $8M he made last year. I doubt anyone offers him even the LLE, and if they do, the Spurs will sweeten their offer to 2 yrs, $5M.
It's a business, not daycare.
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Nothing on Kurt so far. Much easier to wait a few days to let other teams set his price.
So if you think he can be had for that much (2 years $4M) why not make him that offer right now? If he accepts right away then you are happy because it is a good deal. If you find out later that you could have gotten him for cheaper, who cares, you paid fair value.
I know we have to wait, as we do on everything that happens, just throwing out some thoughts.
Congratulations to DPG21920 and Chumpdumper on their engagement. My present to you will be two pairs of ear plugs and a case of gin. Welcome to the world of Marital Bliss! You'll never run out of things to talk about!
I never said offer him 8 million, I just said you are not going to get a much better deal than 2 million a year for him, so why wait?
That does not tell you what the Spurs are prepared to pay for him, it is just a starting point .
SPURS: Okay Kurt, we're ready to offer you a 2 year, 4 million dollar deal. Will you accept?
KURT: WTF, 2 million a year? I gotta be worth more than that.
SPURS: Sorry Kurt, no one's made you an offer, so obviously you aren't as valuable as many thought.
KURT: Alright fine, I'll just wait it out a few more days and then I'll sign.
THE NEXT DAY: According to reports, the Lakers have offered Kurt Thomas a 2 year, 9 million dollar deal.
SPURS: So Kurt, are you ready to accept the 4 million dollar offer?
KURT: *click
THAT is why we gotta wait for Kurt's price to be set around the league, not us.
Wow. Dude completely derails his own thread. Amazing.
Kurt Thomas Watch
Koit Thomas may be resigned by the Spurs. That's all I have to contribute.
According to reports the Lakers pay Thomas 9 million dollars a year because of luxury tax...
There is something to be said for stepping up to the plate. I am not saying offer him a lot of money, nor insult him. Use your judgment, assess your willingness to pay (an economics term) and make him an offer that you think is fair with regards to his worth and what other teams would offer. If the Spurs are willing to match a full MLE type deal (if somehow KT gets that), it is around ~6 million. So that is the Spurs willingness to pay. Offer him 3.5, which is above what would be considered to low, and way below what you would be ok in paying him. If he accepts than that is great, you essentially saved yourself 2.5 million and took out all the risks of losing him. If he declines, no big deal, because there is a chance (taking all the real world scenarios into consideration such as the Lakers luxury tax problems and the Heat trying to clear cap space) that the 3.5 is the best deal he gets. If he gets an offer for more than that then you know you are willing to go up to 6M to keep him.
Spurs: Kurt, we would like to offer you a 3.5 million dollar contract. We really like what you bring to our team and we want to make you a Spur and get this deal done.
Kurt: hmmm, 3.5, not sure, thank you for the offer, I need some time to see how FA works out, but I will be in touch
Spurs: we know you want to weigh your options, but our deal is on the table and we are going to do what is in our powers to keep you a Spur.
Next day: Lakers offer Kurt Thomas a 3 million dollar a year contract. The Heat have also tendered an offer for an estimated 4 million a year.
Kurt: Well here are my offers, 4 million is what I would like to be paid and if you can up your initial offer to 4 million, I am a Spur.
Spurs: Done, we are glad to have you again and we look forward to this season with you.
Kurt: I want to thank you for stepping up to the plate, giving me time to make my decision and showing loyalty towards me and my family. Lets go to work...
Read my other post, it says I started this to discuss possibilities of re-signing KT along with posting new and relevant stories on the subject. Do you have something better to discuss today?
Actually, I read your other two dozen posts where you aren't discussing possibilities of re-signing KT. I probably had something better to do than wade through pages of flame wars only to find zero new information about KT, so I figured I'd make you an official Kurt Thomas Watch. See above.
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So if the market makes no play for KT (meaning he receives no offers) than the Spurs should offer him only the minimum? You have to make players happy. You do not overpay them, but you can not have guys on your team pissed about contract situations.
I know this is all speculation, and we have to be patient, but there is nothing interesting to talk about and it is fun for me to try and go over this stuff. If you do not like, kindly move on and do not post in this thread.
If you like to go over this stuff and debate different stances on the issue, I am here for the conversation.
Damn. Dude just totally made his own KT watch. KT WATCH
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