i actually meant the team.
it was a comparison of the teams not the players
That deal will not happen,at least not until the trade deadline. Besides, there is a reason teams with Ron Artest on their rosters have never won anything. He has a way of disrupting the flow of the game when he doesn't feel he is being used properly.
i actually think it would be pretty even starting 5.
AGREED..
Spurs.
just go re-build as!
You might wanna consider rebuilding around Bynum and his max contract
That doesn't even make sense.
Neither does Bynum wanting a max contract.
And my post makes more sense than the troll I fed's post.
Andrew Bogut just got a 5 year extension for $12 million a year. Bynum will get paid the max if he stays healthy and produces what he was before he went down. The max is somewhere around $14-15 million for a player his NBA age. You fail at understanding how over-valued big men are in this league.
at you deluding yourself. Let me show you why Bogut got a big deal, which is the part you fail to understand:
Bogut was drafted in 2005, and has played 226 game since then. He started 221 of them. During these 226 he averaged 33mpg and 8.5rebs, along with 11.5ppg on 53% shooting. He averaged about 10 shots per game.
Bynum was drafted in 2005, and has played in 163 games - about two full seasons out of three, and about 60 games less than Bogut has started in. During these 163, he averaged 19.3mpg (not even half the game) and 5.6rebs, along with 7.2ppg on 57% shooting. He averaged 5 shots per game.
Bogut is by far the more productive, healthy, and useful big man. I'm not even factoring in the fact Bynum hasn't even played a game in months.
Right now Bogut > Bynum. Bynum has been half as productive on a team that needed him just as much, especially before Pau got the golden ticket to town.
There is not a single GM in this league that would take Andrew Bogut over Andrew Bynum right now. Not a single one.
Bogut was drafted in 2005, and has played 226 game since then. He started 221 of them. During these 226 he averaged 33mpg and 8.5rebs, along with 11.5ppg on 53% shooting. He averaged about 10 shots per game.
Bynum was drafted in 2005, and has played in 163 games - about two full seasons out of three, and about 60 games less than Bogut has started in. During these 163, he averaged 19.3mpg (not even half the game) and 5.6rebs, along with 7.2ppg on 57% shooting. He averaged 5 shots per game.
Bogut is by far the more productive, healthy, and useful big man. I'm not even factoring in the fact Bynum hasn't even played a game in months.
Right now Bogut > Bynum. Bynum has been half as productive on a team that needed him just as much, especially before Pau got the golden ticket to town.
Just as a follow up to my last post:
From Wikipedia:
That sounded like a success to me, any way you slice it.He briefly joined the Los Angeles Lakers (wearing number 73) and helped them to a 17-6 record while averaging 11.2 rebounds per game.
Had P-Jax been there, I am sure that team would have, at the very least, made the WCF, and NOT been swept out of the playoffs.
I would have snatched him up right after his release had I been in that position as a GM in 1999.
I know Cuban tried, but I don't think that team had any intention of utilizing his defensive strengths... at least the Lakers pretended to play defense in 1999 as Rodman, along with Eddie Jones, Kobe (who at least plays defense in 30 second spurts), and Soup, not to mention the big pile of blubber inthe middle...
Your opinions are as far from fact as possible, but go ahead and continue stating them as if they are fact. It lets me know how little you really know about the NBA.
There isn't a single poster on this forum other than you that would take Andrew Bogut over Bynum. Not one.
Why don't you make a poll and find out the truth smart guy?
Bogut > Bynum both statistically and health-wise.
And anyone aside from z0sa that does is a complete moron, dumbass, re ... I take it
I'm not going to go any further with this argument. You stick by your man Bogut, I'll stay with Bynum. One has pretty much maxed out his potential, the other is just getting started and is already at Bogut's level.
Bogut (2008 stats)
PPG
14.3
RPG
9.80
BPG
1.7
MPG
34.9
Bynum (2008 stats)
PPG
13.1
RPG
10.20
BPG
2.1
MPG
28.8
Thanks for playing!
For your own sake, don't.
Bogut is not "my man." If you paid attention to what your own fingers were spewing, you'd know you brought him up as a reason Bynum deserves a max contract ... which I clearly refuted.You stick by your man Bogut, I'll stay with Bynum.
One has pretty much maxed out his potential, the other is just getting started and is already at Bogut's level.
Bogut has been producing since day 1, without kareem or phil or kobe to help lead and help him - the fact Bynum is barely beginning to produce is just more proof why he is not worth anywhere near a max contract.
Here's the one stat you forgot:Bogut (2008 stats)
PPG
14.3
RPG
9.80
BPG
1.7
MPG
34.9
Bynum (2008 stats)
PPG
13.1
RPG
10.20
BPG
2.1
MPG
28.8
Thanks for playing!
Bynum's GP: 35
Bogut's GP: 78
You haven't refuted anything.
If the Lakers don't offer Bynum a max contract SOMEONE else will.
... except all of your points concerning why Bynum deserves a 5 year $70 million contract extension next offseason.
... and they'll be overpaying! You finally get it?If the Lakers don't offer Bynum a max contract SOMEONE else will.
BTW madhatter, dont you consider it low balling to throw out statistics that are clearly skewed by missed games?
You're right, had he played a full season his numbers would have been higher.
How old is bogut and how old is bynum?
Your opinions are not fact. Learn this before you join a message board.
Agreed 100%. Lets start with a few facts here.. for those people (z0sa) who aren't fortunate enough to watch every Laker game like some of us (in california) are.
Fact #1 - Andrew Bynum is not injury prone. He came down on Lamar's foot in a sort of hyper-extended fashion. No more injury prone than any other big man with his length.
Fact #2 - I'd have taken Andrew Bynum over Pau Gasol as our Center in the finals any day of the week! And, i'm sure any legit Laker fans would agree, And... we'd have won!
Fact #3 - Lakers would not have even made the playoffs if not for Bynum's play for the first 1/3 of the season. His numbers just don't do him justice. Teams just stopped attacking the paint all together because he was becoming so sound defensively. On offense you began to see the beginnings of a heck of a post game.. numerous moves.. seemed to be very comfortable. He was efficient, effective almost any time he touched the ball, and took what the offense gave him.
Fact #4 - Bynum is better than Bogut both offensively, and defensively. Bynum is longer, more athletic, stronger, and aside from a mid range jump shot (which i don't even know Bogut does well).. there really isn't anything I don't think Bynum can't do better on a basketball court. Even the way he just constantly plays above the 10 foot level is just down right sick! Amazing talent.
Fact #5 - Bynum WILL receive max money next year.. or very very close to it... whoever said that was totally correct. If you read into his exit interview well enough.. you can tell the kid expects a lot.. and trust me the Lakers are well aware of that.
Fact #6 - Nose-bleed seats to our thumping over the Spurs last season in the playoffs were around $500-1000... Lower tier were upward of $10,000+. The Lakers franchise as an en y profited more than you could ever imagine from our finals run. I wouldn't get too excited if your hope of the Lakers demise lies on the idea of Bynum not being a Laker some day. Not only pathetic.. it's highly optimistic.. and unlikely.
Fact #7 - Andrew Bynum literally lives, breathes, and eats Kareem Abdul-Jabaar from weeks before camp starts through to the end of the season. He has done this three strait seasons.. and will do so for his 4th. There is nothing that indicates this kid won't be great.. he literally has got it all.
Fact # 8 - Zosa.. is in denial of everything I have stated.. and will probably find a way to steam himself up enough to find some crazy logic refuting all of it. Two words.. rebuilding mode. Sorry buddy.
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