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    its amazing how little some of you know about strength, usable strength, and what athletes "should" look like. and no, i have zero interest in explaining it to you. continue looking stupid.

    ...ian may get bigger and he may not, but that has zero to do with his future effectiveness as a spurs player.
    Yeah, sorry for not meeting your standards

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    P.J Tucker looks good all summer , maybe we shouls sign him for a 2 years contract

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    Not sure about a 6'5" Power Forward... we have Ime who can do that

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    From people's comment and his stat line, it looks like Hill had a quite decent game. When you picture that he didn't come from a big school and had to overcome a bigger level difference than prospect from bigger schools and that he plays a new and really hard position (PG), it's encouraging.

    Another thing I've noticed is that Gist played PF and Hairston sucked. If it continues, Spurs could go after on or two additional swingmen.

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    Mahinmi looked lethargic and out of sync in the first half, and on the second he began to warp up.

    The promising thing that I saw was the variety of moves he has.

    On the situations where it was one on one, he had several fakes and took it to the base line in a very quick move. He's definitely got a quick step. On another, he had a very good back to basket turn around jump shot at around 15 feet. Offensively, he's certainly much better than Thomas or Oberto.

    On the defensive side, he looked slow on the rotations and didn't always have good position on the rebounds. He certainly got a lot of length.

    One thing though with summer league play is that it's very unstructured. Fortunately, the Spurs/Toros are forced to always play with some semblance of structure and that's where you see Ian play comfortably. He's not yet at that point were he can thrive on the open court. He needs to get the ball at the right spot and get isolated. Then you see he's got a lot of moves.

    When doubled, he's got a good sense of where the perimeter players are. In one, he was tripled team, he took a jump shot and in midair passed the ball to Hill for an open 3. He however had trouble when he penetrated and the other team clogged the lane. Looked like he got into a lot of trouble there, buy was consistently bailed out by the refs.

    What concerns me though about his play is that he seemed earth bound like Duncan. Not sure if that's how he was trained or that he may not have the hops.

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    Mahinmi had a disappointing game imo.

    Poor rebounding despite what his final numbers show, he gave up position a lot it seemed. And the defensive rotations. Having re-watched every available archived d-league game the last 2 weeks, I can say that Mahinmi can play much better.

    I also think his pick-setting was terrible except for the very end of the game. He helped make things harder for Hill by basically avoiding any contact on the screens, unlike Gist.

    BUT I still think he should be given a ton of minutes in the rotation, even force-fed as a starter.

    Hill looked okay. I'm not thrilled or anything, but I think at the worst he should have an NBA career no worse than Jason Hart. Now before anyone takes that as an insult because he might come to mind as a fringe scrub, for the record Jason Hart has had a very nice career, getting paid to play NBA basketball through the age of 30 and he's under contract for the 08-09 season.

    Gist looked like a legit NBA player, I hope he gets a contract. And more minutes tomorrow night.

    And you are judging that off of one summer league game? Wow!!

    Let's slow down...Spurs fans. Give him time to grow. Yikes!!!

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    Funny that Mahinmi didn't go once to his acros the olane hook shot once which seemed to be his bread and butter move in D-league. I wonder if the Spurs told him to limit work on certain types of moves in this game. Hopefully his repertoire would include more quick fadeaway Js which with his quickness would work well for him.

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    Hill:
    1. showed a couple of 'slinky' moves to separate himself from a defender rather than with speed. I don't know if that will translate against faster better defenders in the NBA.
    2. Didn't shoot a good %. Lots of his points came on FTs, not that there's anything wrong with that. No nervousness on his FTs until the last two at the end of game.
    3. I liked the way he fought through the picks. He looked like he has the at ude to defend which will make up for a lot of deficiencies on defense such as pure speed.
    4. Good rebounder, getting into the right position.

    Only one game for a rookie, but he looked OK.

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    From people's comment and his stat line, it looks like Hill had a quite decent game. When you picture that he didn't come from a big school and had to overcome a bigger level difference than prospect from bigger schools and that he plays a new and really hard position (PG), it's encouraging.

    Another thing I've noticed is that Gist played PF and Hairston sucked. If it continues, Spurs could go after on or two additional swingmen.
    Bruno, that was my big observation coming away from the game--the Spurs need to add at least one more servicable swing to their roster, and not Finley. In my opinion, Mahinmi is not quite ready for the rotation yet. Maybe he had a bad game, but I've watched him about a dozen or so times, and he didn't look much different last night than he did at the end of last regular season.

    I would be happy if the Spurs could find time for Hill, Gist and Mahinmi in Austin for at least the first part of next season. But that requires a couple more guys on roster.

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    One aspect that hasn't been mentioned is how well Bud coached the team. Anyone who watched last year saw the horrible job Newman did. Bud actually has a Pop like rotation in which he puts players on the court who are playing well. Benching Hairston and finding a capable combination in the fourth was a big part of the win.

    Doesn't mean much but every time Bud has been in charge as a head coach, I've come away impressed. The day Pop retires, I would be happy if Bud is named the successor.

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    Here's an intersting post, game one of SL related, from Spurs Report

    http://www.spursreport.com/forums/sp...ue-review.html

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    One aspect that hasn't been mentioned is how well Bud coached the team. Anyone who watched last year saw the horrible job Newman did. Bud actually has a Pop like rotation in which he puts players on the court who are playing well. Benching Hairston and finding a capable combination in the fourth was a big part of the win.

    Doesn't mean much but every time Bud has been in charge as a head coach, I've come away impressed. The day Pop retires, I would be happy if Bud is named the successor.
    Couldn't agree more. Bud is the man.

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    Here's an intersting post, game one of SL related, from Spurs Report

    http://www.spursreport.com/forums/sp...ue-review.html
    Finley...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

    e. Pop can't resist the geezers.

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    One aspect that hasn't been mentioned is how well Bud coached the team. Anyone who watched last year saw the horrible job Newman did. Bud actually has a Pop like rotation in which he puts players on the court who are playing well. Benching Hairston and finding a capable combination in the fourth was a big part of the win.

    Doesn't mean much but every time Bud has been in charge as a head coach, I've come away impressed. The day Pop retires, I would be happy if Bud is named the successor.
    I was actually kind of down on him in the first half, but by the end of the game he proved me wrong. It'd be great for him to take over.

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    I noticed our new backup pg had 1 assist. That's not good. Doesn't say much for the team's shooting.
    I did like that he got to the FT line.

    Gist's line looks good: 6 pts, 3 BShts, 5 rebs and 1 st. Not bad at all. He was 3-5 shooting. Nice defense with no fouls. That's what gets you on the roster.

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    Finley...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

    e. Pop can't resist the geezers.

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    I noticed our new backup pg had 1 assist. That's not good. Doesn't say much for the team's shooting.
    I did like that he got to the FT line.

    Gist's line looks good: 6 pts, 3 BShts, 5 rebs and 1 st. Not bad at all. He was 3-5 shooting. Nice defense with no fouls. That's what gets you on the roster.
    The stats don't always tell the story. This was Hill's first (semi) professional game. He played fine, and his ceiling as a sub point is high.

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    Finley...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

    e. Pop can't resist the geezers.
    I got no problem with Finley and Horry both coming back. The young guys will need some experience to learn from and Finley can do that. When he's on, he's on and when he's not he draws the ire of an entire city.

    Horry should have sat out the entire year last year. He got off to a bad start and never recovered. He owes it to the team to come back strong. For the vet minimum, I'd bring him back. He still plays big in big games with his rebounding and keeping the ball alive.

    Pop wears Girbaud. How funny. Hey pop, 1988 called, it wants its style back.

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    From what I saw i"m not the least concerened about Hill's playmaking. In the brief glimpse so far he shouwed more abiltiy to rotate the ball and find the open shooter in the half court better than Vaughn or Parker. Guys just didn't knock down the shots.

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    In all seriousness, I hope that Fin not being signed yet is a sign that a) the Spurs are not 100% commited to him and b) that they're at least waiting to see what shakes out from summer league and free agenct before bringing him back. If they make a definite move before we know where things stand league-wide, I'll be disappointed. I'm of the strong opinion that someone, whether Delfino or whoever, will be available for cheap in a couple weeks. The market will dry up and leave a player or two in a tough spot. At that point, RC should enter with a low ball offer and promises of a championship run.

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    The stats don't always tell the story. This was Hill's first (semi) professional game. He played fine, and his ceiling as a sub point is high.
    I saw the first half of the game and liked what I saw. He was aggressive and all over the place. He'll be a better option than Vaughn. I was just surprised that he only had 1 assist. It doesn't say much for our SL team's shooting or perhaps his playmaking ability. TP doesn't put up big assist numbers either. Maybe its the system.

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    I saw the first half of the game and liked what I saw. He was aggressive and all over the place. He'll be a better option than Vaughn. I was just surprised that he only had 1 assist. It doesn't say much for our SL team's shooting or perhaps his playmaking ability. TP doesn't put up big assist numbers either. Maybe its the system.
    Know your first assumption was correct. Shooting, guys not finishing, etc... If he were passing to proven players, he would have had four or five assists.

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    Finley...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

    e. Pop can't resist the geezers.
    All right, drastic steps need to be taken. Who's volunteering to visit Fin's place with a baseball bat for his knees...

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    Anyone know where I can watch this game online? I missed it last night

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    The games are archived. Registration is free.

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