Summer League Game 3: Spurs vs. Knicks

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I just finished the delayed feed. I like what I see from Mahinmi and Gist. 15 minutes of pt says the Hairston ship has sailed. And, despite my not wanting to overreact and remain optimistic, 2-25 is worrisome for Hill. No question, he's 3rd on the depth chart right now and needs minutes at the point in Austin.

Again, you need to look at this guy's scoring history. After watching him play defense and rebound against some good players, would you say he can probably do both of those things as well as JV? I would. Now do you think there's a chance that he's offensively better than JV? I do. And that's after three games of him stinking up the joint with his shooting.

[Mr. Body]

You're on record as having said it before many of us, if that's what you want, so like I said, give it a rest.

You're kidding, right? The forum is a revolving door of everyone stating their opinions repeatedly and you're wobbly at what I say? Have you ever been on the internet? Message boards?

[jcrod]

I just finished the delayed feed. I like what I see from Mahinmi and Gist. 15 minutes of pt says the Hairston ship has sailed. And, despite my not wanting to overreact and remain optimistic, 2-25 is worrisome for Hill. No question, he's 3rd on the depth chart right now and needs minutes at the point in Austin.

Dude give it up already. He's not going to Austin, Pop is to high on him and should live with the growing pains the first half of the season with Hill. He needs too to pay dividends down the road.

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I'm stating a position, no need to get upset. I've said repeatedly that I like him, but simply that he wasn't worth the draft pick at that point. This could be a grievous error. I'm sur ehe will be serviceable in some capacity. His rebounding and defense are good, and he's a decent enough ball-handler. Good enough a point to stretch for? Not on your life.

Again, there are those with a need to talk up the Spurs' offseason moves in a desperate attempt to make the nonexistent something like s om. There are others, like me, who see a different story.

spurs could have tried to trade down
could not
they addressed their biggest need backup via draft
because fa class was week

get over it
he is better then chambers

[Borosai]

It's official: The Spurs have their new James!

[Bartleby]

I know it's premature to make assessments this early, but I think Gist could turn into a Haslem type of player.

[El Jefe]

I'm stating a position, no need to get upset. I've said repeatedly that I like him, but simply that he wasn't worth the draft pick at that point. This could be a grievous error. I'm sur ehe will be serviceable in some capacity. His rebounding and defense are good, and he's a decent enough ball-handler. Good enough a point to stretch for? Not on your life.

Again, there are those with a need to talk up the Spurs' offseason moves in a desperate attempt to make the nonexistent something like s om. There are others, like me, who see a different story.

If he ends up as a serviceable back up PG, it isn't a reach. Half the players in the 1st round won't amount to a hill of beans.

His defense looks solid, and he looks like he wants to play the right way (which is more of an asset than you'd think) and so far the SL team seems to run better when he's on the floor. It'll take him a while to learn what shots he can get and which ones don't work anymore, but he's got a good chance of figuring that out.

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spurs could have tried to trade down
could not
they addressed their biggest need backup via draft
because fa class was week

get over it
he is better then chambers

what planet are you from?

[2centsworth]

people who kiss ass drive me insane. At this point, Hill is less than expected.

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You're kidding, right? The forum is a revolving door of everyone stating their opinions repeatedly and you're wobbly at what I say? Have you ever been on the internet? Message boards?

Ah, so you're proud to represent the lowest common denominator. I didn't realize that. I thought you wanted to be taken seriously. Fine, just out whatever you think without any regard for whether you've said it a million times, and be sure to defend it as long as you can (you're getting lots of practice in this thread). I'm perfectly happy to put you on ignore if that's what you want.

[Solid D]

I thought that was someone else. Who's number 35? I have a feeling that isn't Maric.

Jameal Watkins

[bdictjames]

How's Hill doing? Stat please.

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people who kiss ass drive me insane. At this point, Hill is less than expected.

I agree, but do you think Pop has asked him to come in and score, or to come in and work on decision making, passing and defense? Do you think it's a coincidence that he's been trapped as much as he has?

[2centsworth]

How's Hill doing? Stat please.

not turning the ball over, but also not creating much. absolutely zero confidence in his shot, shooting 2-25. Defense is promising and rebounding is above average.

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How's Hill doing? Stat please.

Here's the boxscore.

http://www.nba.com/summerleague2008/...eId=1520800024

[tav1]

Again, you need to look at this guy's scoring history. After watching him play defense and rebound against some good players, would you say he can probably do both of those things as well as JV? I would. Now do you think there's a chance that he's offensively better than JV? I do. And that's after three games of him stinking up the joint with his shooting.

There are lots of players with insane scoring histories whom average very few points in the pros, or have short careers in the pros. Bruce Bowen was prolific scorer in college. Trey Johnson doesn't have a job right now. You gotta give me something more than "dude, he averaged a lot of points at IUPUI."

I'm not casting verdict on Hill yet, I simply saying he hasn't been able to finish at the hoop and he's 2-25 through 3 games. Saying that that is good is like pissing against the wind and trying not to get wet. It worries me. Maybe it's jitters, maybe it's a bum elbow, maybe it's the transition to point. Whatever. I just want to see it turned around.

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horrible shooting from hill. i'm beginning to wonder if he can score at the nba level. i like his defense and rebounding though. his point skills are improving with better decisions and command over the team. having less turnovers and more assists is always a good thing. one has to wonder though, if he can even match JV's 4.1ppg.

mahinmi and gist played pretty well. i would still like to see some post moves from mahinmi. he sometimes looks more like an opportunistic scorer, shooting open jumpers, putting the ball back in the hoop and receiving passes while right under the basket.

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I agree, but do you think Pop has asked him to come in and score, or to come in and work on decision making, passing and defense? Do you think it's a coincidence that he's been trapped as much as he has?

good question on what Pop wants. Pop could be holding the kid down, so I'm not giving up on him. Fact is Hill is underperforming, but granted Pop could have something to do with it.

[Solid D]

The best 5 for the Spurs SL team are:
Mahinmi - looked a little more comfortable. He rebounded well but the Knicks didn't have much size. Ian still is not fluid and needs to work on really flushing it when he gets near the rim. He should make the Spurs roster but he needs to realize he is better than he thinks he is.
Gist- looking more and more like he will make the 15-man roster. He showed the ability to rebound, defend, block shots, and score, even from the outside.
Tolliver - very active, excellent mobility for his size and has a good outside touch
Powell - really showed his scoring abiility today
Hill - Basic PG play, solid defender, nothing fancy, slow and methodical, learning what it's like to shoot on 10 foot rims, now.

Green has been very good. He's been the second best player on the floor since I started watching.

Yes, he has. Green is athletic and has showed some ability to score. His dunk while pushing Paul Miller off him was nice. He is sometimes sloppy and is somewhat lacking defensively, however.

[2centsworth]

There are lots of players with insane scoring histories whom average very few points in the pros, or have short careers in the pros. Bruce Bowen was prolific scorer in college. Trey Johnson doesn't have a job right now. You gotta give me something more than "dude, he averaged a lot of points at IUPUI."

I'm not casting verdict on Hill yet, I simply saying he hasn't been able to finish at the hoop and he's 2-25 through 3 games. Saying that that is good is like pissing against the wind and trying not to get wet. It worries me. Maybe it's jitters, maybe it's a bum elbow, maybe it's the transition to point. Whatever. I just want to see it turned around.

very good post.

[2centsworth]

Yes, he has. Green is athletic and has showed some ability to score. His dunk while pushing Paul Miller off him was nice. He is sometimes sloppy and is somewhat lacking defensively, however.

also weak.

[tav1]

Dude give it up already. He's not going to Austin, Pop is to high on him and should live with the growing pains the first half of the season with Hill. He needs too to pay dividends down the road.

Except he'd probably pay bigger dividends if he played for 35 minutes a game and practiced a few times a week than if he played 10 per game with practices few and far between. Right now Hill to Austin would be better for the Spurs in the long haul.

Do you think Hill is ready for 10 or 15 minutes per game in the pros?

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There are lots of players with insane scoring histories whom average very few points in the pros, or have short careers in the pros. Bruce Bowen was prolific scorer in college. Trey Johnson doesn't have a job right now. You gotta give me something more than "dude, he averaged a lot of points at IUPUI."

I'm not casting verdict on Hill yet, I simply saying he hasn't been able to finish at the hoop and he's 2-25 through 3 games. Saying that that is good is like pissing against the wind and trying not to get wet. It worries me. Maybe it's jitters, maybe it's a bum elbow, maybe it's the transition to point. Whatever. I just want to see it turned around.

If you are going to say that Bowen's 11.4 points per game at Fullerton was "prolific" then we're going to have to part ways here.

George Hill can score. That's not the concern. Nobody has ever, EVER, said that he couldn't score the basketball. If that's all we're worried about then he'll be fine, because he's taking over the job from a guy that's averaged 3.6 points per game since he's been with the Spurs.

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If you are going to say that Bowen's 11.4 points per game at Fullerton was "prolific" then we're going to have to part ways here.

George Hill can score. That's not the concern. Nobody has ever, EVER, said that he couldn't score the basketball. If that's all we're worried about then he'll be fine, because he's taking over the job from a guy that's averaged 3.6 points per game since he's been with the Spurs.

prolific scoring in college means very little, Harold Minor, Terrence Rencher, JJ Re , Morrison, etc...

[jcrod]

Except he'd probably pay bigger dividends if he played for 35 minutes a game and practiced a few times a week than if he played 10 per game with practices few and far between. Right now Hill to Austin would be better for the Spurs in the long haul.

Do you think Hill is ready for 10 or 15 minutes per game in the pros?

If he plays 10-15 mins a game in every game with practices with the team he'll be better off with the Spurs than the Toros. Ian wouldn't get that last yr, that is why he went to the Toros.

Hill is not as raw as Ian, its obivious they told him to facilitate not score during these games. He was strictly a scorer in college. His defense and rebounding is better than JV, so yes I'll take him over JV right now.

If he stinks it up during preseason, then they should be talking Toros. He'll get open looks with the regualr squad.