George Hill is a waste of time

[mexicanjunior]

His shooting sucked.

So what?

Three summer league games <> NBA career

All I said was your Hill rationale sounded like the case for Finley staying in the rotation and it seemed like a weak argument for him to, out of nowhere, get his shooting touch back. I didn't come in this thread bashing Hill...so why so defensive?

[underdawg]

im not happy at all the way george has been shooting.. it sucks balls... but happens.. I know hes going to get his shot back together.. I mainly just wish he had been able to put spurs fans minds to rest on day 1.. I'm sure he wished his shots went down so segu wouldnt kill himself.. but hes going to adjust and become the anti Jaq V.

All he needed was a dunk in one of the games and his 0 for 16 would be less of a problem. That's what we're really looking for somebody that can dunk -who cares if he can control the offense, play good defense and fit a need that the Spurs have. It's all about the dunks and stats too. He was 0-6 in game 3 - how pathetic. I don't care if he only shot one open shot, was fouled on 3 of the shots and double teamed on the other two. 0 for 6 - the guys a bust. Sure he looked a lot better bringing up the ball, avoiding traps, had just two turnovers (at least one wasn't his fault,) and looked pretty comfortable against the p-n-r, but 0 for 6? This guy will never make it - we should have drafted Rose or Beasley

[ChumpDumper]

All I said was your Hill rationale sounded like the case for Finley staying in the rotation and it seemed like a weak argument for him to, out of nowhere, get his shooting touch back. I didn't come in this thread bashing Hill...so why so defensive?

So why are you comparing him to Finley?

Is Hill in his late thirties with no legs under him?

Please explain fully why Hill is just like Finley.

[tlongII]

For comparison sake, Rajon Rondo averaged 9.3 points, 4.0 rebounds, 1.3 assists and 3.3 turnovers on 40% shooting last year in summer league. And that was his second time playing in Vegas. Outside of the shooting percentage, Hill has much better numbers.

Step away from the ledge.

LOL at your "outside the shooting percentage" comment!

Vegas Summer League is a guard's game! If you're a guard and you don't score here you basically suck!

[mexicanjunior]

So why are you comparing him to Finley?

Is Hill in his late thirties with no legs under him?

Please explain fully why Hill is just like Finley.

I was comparing your qoute of "he hit shots before...he will hit them again" to what other posters used as a rationale to keep feeding Finley minutes, eventhough he wasn't showing any signs of recovering from a dreadful shooting slump. I never said they were the same player although, I would say 10+ years of being an all star caliber NBA SG would buy him more leeway than 4 years of decent stats at a small college. I really don't understand how some of you people can be so blinded by the name on the jersey that you cant even admit that a player is struggling to the point of questioning if he can contribute to, what should be, a championship caliber team. I'm fully aware this is Summer League and the games do not count but can posters be allowed to voice an opinion of dissatisfaction with his play without being hammered for it? Jeez...

[jayc23]

if you wanna tell the whole story and not part of it sure... i must say your opinion has alot more basis than sagu- ... everybody on the boards understands Hill over penetrated, got himself in trouble, forced some shots on drives.. missed a couple open jumpers.. the point is hes capable of doing the exact opposite and hes showed to have the tools to play and contribute at the highest level as a back up... and it could take all summer for him to polish alot of areas.. it wont take him all summer to finish on drives or hit jump shots.. Hill was overwhelmed with the jump in level of play and responsiblity and expectation layed on him as a SG going to PG... I believe it waylayed his scoring mentality.. hes just plain cold and he has to break out and relax and take control of the game.. even if it means being a little selfish here and there.. sometimes passing too much can be problematic.. he shouldn't shoot that bad.. the % are embarrassing .. but he will get on track.. hes a disciplined shooter.. and a talented shooter.. you may haven't seen it yet.. but you will.

[anakha]

I'm fully aware this is Summer League and the games do not count but can posters be allowed to voice an opinion of dissatisfaction with his play without being hammered for it? Jeez...

Criticizing the guy's play so far is fine.

Projecting how the guy will play for the rest of the season based on the (scant) evidence so far would be as silly as all those ESPN 'analysts' who predicted that the Suns would beat the Spurs these past playoffs.

[mystargtr34]

LOL at your "outside the shooting percentage" comment!

Vegas Summer League is a guard's game! If you're a guard and you don't score here you basically suck!

So Rajon Rondo sucks

Maybe the Celts should sign Marcus Banks again to replace him.

[jayc23]

Segu labeling Hill a bust in the first quarter of the first summer league game ... the guy who made this thread .. the guy is a complete waste of breath... he was dropped on his head as a child... reguardless of if Hills play... STFU... nobody wants to hear your multiple threads with your childish, insulting, immature, trash analysis... im actually in a sick and twisted way happy for Hill's poor shooting because. when it ends. im going to quote your bull back you .. every time you make a post.. every time you make an opinion you will have no credibility , because as soon as the spurs didn't pick chalmers you started throwing a fit... then when people said wait this could be a good pick.. you agreed.. then hill missed a shot and you started throwing a fit again... why dont you STFU and watch the game of basketball.. oh wait you dont watch the games.. you just look at the box score...

[jayc23]

So Rajon Rondo sucks

Maybe the Celts should sign Marcus Banks again to replace him.

the boston globe said they were going to pick Hill to replace him ROFL..

[Blackjack]

For comparison sake, Rajon Rondo averaged 9.3 points, 4.0 rebounds, 1.3 assists and 3.3 turnovers on 40% shooting last year in summer league. And that was his second time playing in Vegas. Outside of the shooting percentage, Hill has much better numbers.

Step away from the ledge.

I've yet to see Hill play so I checked out his shooting %'s from college, and liked what I saw.

All 4 years he shot above 50% from the field and finished his senior year shooting the three at 45%. Granted, his compe ion was less than stellar, but to be a 6'2" guard and the focal point of every teams defensive schemes? I'm guessing the kid can shoot.

His inability to finish around the basket could have alot to do with some indecision. Transitioning to point probably has him second guessing whether he should be driving to dish, or driving to score. Finding that balance will be key to his success. Whether he can find that balance is another matter.

I'm sure Pop's goals for Hill in summer league were to have him get some experience running the point and focus on his defense. He's having to process alot of information (both off. and def.) which probably prevents him from playing naturally/instinctively. For now I'm going to choose to believe that's the reason for his shooting woes.

I know it's crazy Spurs Talk, but it might me wise to reserve judgment on Hill untill.... I don't know, maybe he's played in more than 3 or 4 summer league games? You've at least got to like the kids knack for getting to the free-throw line, his rebounding, and (from what I hear) defense. It's not all doom and gloom.

Hopefully as he gets more comfortable with the team and terminology, we'll begin to see the player the Spurs saw on draft night.

[rascal]

Hill will be good enough as a backup, just what the spurs drafted him for. His shooting will come around.

[anakha]

Hill will be good enough as a backup, just what the spurs drafted him for. His shooting will come around.

[TJastal]

If by chance Hill cannot hack it in the NBA, anyone know the status of Carlos Arroyo? I know he is the odd man out in Orlando since they signed Anthony Johnson, perhaps he may be available for the LLE? He is a good ballhandling PG that can drive and dish from what I've seen of him. Would be a solid backup to TP

[rlballin1]

It's hilarious how spurs fans lose sight of what the SPURS are all about. We are firm believers that strong defense brings about good offense.

We drafted George Hill to be a back up point guard to Tony Parker; not to come in and drop 17+ a game. He already plays better defense than JVaughn, and he seems to be able to run an offense. His Rebounding is also better than JVaugn.

Sooooooooo obviously the Spurs have gotten what they were looking for already out of George Hill. A solid point guard who can create better offense through his defense.

The scoring that he did in college is just an added bonus. He has a strong chance of turning his shooting percentage around (due to his solid mechanics and past history) and in the future he may be more of an offensive threat.

But to call him a waste of time and not believe he can better the team is foolish. Just because it is offseason doesnt mean we should forget what makes the spurs the spurs. Too many of our fans want to see Denver like offensive production when things like that has not gotten us championships. Be a in adult, appreciate the game of basketball how the SPURS play it. You say this is your team, act like it is

[rascal]

It's hilarious how spurs fans lose sight of what the SPURS are all about. We are firm believers that strong defense brings about good offense.

We drafted George Hill to be a back up point guard to Tony Parker; not to come in and drop 17+ a game. He already plays better defense than JVaughn, and he seems to be able to run an offense. His Rebounding is also better than JVaugn.

Sooooooooo obviously the Spurs have gotten what they were looking for already out of George Hill. A solid point guard who can create better offense through his defense.

The scoring that he did in college is just an added bonus. He has a strong chance of turning his shooting percentage around (due to his solid mechanics and past history) and in the future he may be more of an offensive threat.

But to call him a waste of time and not believe he can better the team is foolish. Just because it is offseason doesnt mean we should forget what makes the spurs the spurs. Too many of our fans want to see Denver like offensive production when things like that has not gotten us championships. Be a in adult, appreciate the game of basketball how the SPURS play it. You say this is your team, act like it is

Strong defense does not bring good offense. The spurs look too much on the defensive end and neglect the offensive end, thats why the team is non athletic and boring offensively and often can't hold leads in big playoff games

They rely too much on guys standing around on the perimeter shooting bricks.
They need to add some players with offensive game who can break down defenses by creating their own shots and players who can score easy points with high % shots (dunks and layups) in transition.

[rlballin1]

Strong defense does not bring good offense. The spurs look too much on the defensive end and neglect the offensive end, thats why the team is non athletic and boring offensively and often can't hold leads in big playoff games

They rely too much on guys standing around on the perimeter shooting bricks.
They need to add some players with offensive game who can break down defenses by creating their own shots and players who can score easy points with high % shots (dunks and layups) in transition.

I can honestly say, if this is your opinion of how the Spurs should play then you should def disappear until Pop goes away. What you just described is the Phoenix Suns. It seems to me if you want that kind of basketball you should not like the SPurs.

I'm not trying to be mean or anything but if you honestly feel that the spurs should focus on that kind of game, then is seems you like the Spurs just because they are a winning team. We have a slasher in Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker.

Relying on someone to knock down an open jumper seems pretty reasonable to me. Pop believed in it and we got 4 rings. Now because we lose in the WCF we should change the philosophy which brought us to those four rings? Negative

And also a good defense always equals a better offense. Just based off the fact that you are going to Get more chances to score without them scoring. that formula equals victories in the POST SEASON

The formula you are describing equals regular season wins
(i.e Pistons, Suns)

[TheMadHatter]

The Spurs don't really need more defense. They held the Lakers to 10-15 pts below their scoring average, which is pretty damn good. Their problem was offensively, way too many scoring droughts and a lack of guys who can come in and knock down open shots.

[ceperez]

It's hilarious how spurs fans lose sight of what the SPURS are all about. We are firm believers that strong defense brings about good offense.

We drafted George Hill to be a back up point guard to Tony Parker; not to come in and drop 17+ a game. He already plays better defense than JVaughn, and he seems to be able to run an offense. His Rebounding is also better than JVaugn.

That's a great conclusion. If all we expect out of George Hill is a better Jacque Vaughn then it appears we have our man! He without a smidgen of a doubt has better defense (by virtue of his 6'9" wingspan) and seems to have a quickness to the rebounds. Which coincidentally, these two skills are a weakness of Tony Parker.

We haven't yet seen his offense, but without a doubt, it must be superior to Vaughn. What that means is that he can make the open shot... or rather make the open 3 point shot. Vaughn could never make the 3point shot with any sense of consistency.

Question then about Mason, who is he an upgrade of?

[rlballin1]

That's a great conclusion. If all we expect out of George Hill is a better Jacque Vaughn then it appears we have our man! He without a smidgen of a doubt has better defense (by virtue of his 6'9" wingspan) and seems to have a quickness to the rebounds. Which coincidentally, these two skills are a weakness of Tony Parker.

We haven't yet seen his offense, but without a doubt, it must be superior to Vaughn. What that means is that he can make the open shot... or rather make the open 3 point shot. Vaughn could never make the 3point shot with any sense of consistency.

Question then about Mason, who is he an upgrade of?

Mason would be an upgrade of Finley and Barry of course. Here you have a much more athletic 2/1 guard. Unlike MAson's predecessors, Mason can put the ball on the floor and be a legitimate threat. Mason is def an upgrade at the 2 than our previous alternatives

So so far, in the draft we have upgraded our 1 and 2 position, and suprisingly we may have found a 3 guy in James Gist.

From what I see we have had a small and very productive off season. We have virtually got better in every position. The only bad thing was Splitter.

We need 2 remember that we held huge leads on the Lakers during our games. And we let them come back and beat us. This means our offense AND DEFENSE needs work.

Defense may be boring, but it's wat made us who we are!! Spurs, Celtics, Pistons won with their defense.......think people

[K-State Spur]

Strong defense does not bring good offense. The spurs look too much on the defensive end and neglect the offensive end, thats why the team is non athletic and boring offensively and often can't hold leads in big playoff games

They rely too much on guys standing around on the perimeter shooting bricks.
They need to add some players with offensive game who can break down defenses by creating their own shots and players who can score easy points with high % shots (dunks and layups) in transition.

which is different from any of the championship teams in what way?

i'd like to add another offensive weapon as much as anybody, but the truth is that the Spurs have always only had a couple of guys willing to drive the lane and surrounded them with jumpshooters. An excellent defensive team can cover up for the other deficiencies.

With few exceptions, the Spurs weren't winning meaningful games 120-108, they were doing so 86-78. And they weren't only scoring 86 points because they were such an offensive juggernaught.

[ceperez]

Mason would be an upgrade of Finley and Barry of course. Here you have a much more athletic 2/1 guard. Unlike MAson's predecessors, Mason can put the ball on the floor and be a legitimate threat. Mason is def an upgrade at the 2 than our previous alternatives

So so far, in the draft we have upgraded our 1 and 2 position, and suprisingly we may have found a 3 guy in James Gist.

What we lost when Barry left was someone who could *really* stretch the floor. Barry would take his shots with at least two feet away from the 3pt line. I doubt Mason can do this with consistency.

Mason also doesn't replace Finley at the 3 spot. That's an empty hole and hope that Gist can occupy that space.

The upgrade I seen in Mason over both Finley and Barry is that he can hit the shot off the dribble and hopefully has more youth to agressively take it to the hole. Finley and Barry the entire season never took it to the hole in a half court set. Both of them would stand around the perimeter the entire time, and if the defender was able to chase them when they got the ball, they had no other option but to pass it. We definitely need players who will aggresively take the shot or drive the ball.

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[SequSpur]

Dude... Hill can dribble, he can defend, he can do alot of things.....

Hill can't play against upper tier talent. Period. It shows. He is a product from a ty college in a weak ass compe ive division. In the first game, he did decent... but in crunch time...the no namers took over the game and he got out of the way.

Not a first rounder in my opinion... He would've been fine around the 40th pick, but not 26th....

[benefactor]

Hill can't play against upper tier talent. Period. It shows.

Really? What upper tier talent has he played against? Are you looking into your crystal ball 2 months into the season and giving us this information ahead of time?

Your statements are premature...and your continued lack of objectivity makes you look unintelligent. Do yourself a favor and at least attempt to be reasonable.