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Posting the article would be cool, considering i don't feel like doing a 10 minute search cause none of your links work.
At least we won't have to spend the summer defending reckless driving/unintentional manslaughter/spitting on women:
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/new...s-star-alleged
If that link doen't work, try this:
http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm
Article posted below-- sorry, I couldn't get the Rocky Mountain News link to work.
Last edited by Tully365; 07-18-2008 at 12:18 PM.
Posting the article would be cool, considering i don't feel like doing a 10 minute search cause none of your links work.
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J.R. Smith's court moves draw foul cry
Lawyer wants Nugget to plead guilty to assault
By Alan Gathright, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Thursday, July 17, 2008
J.R. Smith accused of being in a fracas at a nightclub.
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An attorney for a woman who accused Denver Nuggets guard J.R. Smith of assaulting her outside a Denver nightclub in October objects to his bid to get all charges dropped in exchange for doing community service and alcohol counseling.
"Essentially, he's trying to avoid accepting full responsibility for his actions," said Fred Bibik, the attorney for the 23-year-old Englewood woman.
The woman accused Smith of spraying her with champagne, grabbing her, tearing her dress and spitting in her face during the Oct. 13 closing-time fracas at Denver's DC10 club, 940 Lincoln St.
Smith, 22, is charged with assault, disturbing the peace and destruction of private property.
Bibik has told Denver city attorney officials the basketball player should plead guilty to the assault charge as part of the plea deal.
But Smith's defense attorney, David Lane, said his client denies anything but spraying the woman and two of her girlfriends with champagne inside the club.
"He got rowdy at a bar, basically, and sprayed a few people with champagne," Lane said.
"From day one he has accepted responsibility and recognized that, 'Look, I've got to keep myself under control. I can't be acting like an idiot anytime, anywhere,' " Smith's attorney added.
Completing counseling and community service is appropriate given Smith's conduct, the defense attorney said.
"This is an alcohol-fueled incident," Lane added. "So, he's willing to and desiring of going through a little alcohol program and maybe doing some community service. And then the city dismisses all charges."
City attorney officials could not be reached immediately for comment, but attorneys for both sides said prosecutors have offered Smith the diversion program.
But his refusal to accept responsibility for all of the alleged conduct may conflict with the written requirements of the diversion program. It allows a defendant to get criminal charges dropped by attending a "rehabilitative program," including counseling, educational programs, res ution and community service.
Yet the program requires that a "defendant accepts responsibility for his or her actions that resulted in the charges as indicated by the police report and/or witness statements," according to Smith's application for the program in court records.
The victim and her two girlfriends both gave police written statements, accusing Smith of spraying them with Moet champagne as the club closed.
A police officer wrote that he "observed the victim's torn dress - no other injuries."
As the club closed, Smith began to apologize outside, the women said. But when his buddies walked up, he "changed at ude," according to a police report.
"He started cussing and spit on me," the woman wrote in her statement. "(He) then proceeded to tell my friend . . . that he was going to beat her up. As I'm trying to settle both parties down, J.R. spits in my face again, grabs me and rips my dress."
A complicating factor for Smith is that New Jersey prosecutors are still reviewing a June 9, 2007, fatal accident where Smith drove his SUV through a stop sign, hitting another car head-on. Smith's best friend was thrown from the SUV and later died. Defendants can't participate in Denver's diversion program if they've been convicted of other crimes within seven years.
....and people call Pietrus dumb
The geniuses of this board thought the Spurs would go after this guy.
what a funny statement. basically blaming alcohol.
"little" alcohol program and "maybe" community service.ing lawyers
This is my favorite part, when the lawyer is quoted:
"This is an alcohol-fueled incident," Lane added. "So, he's willing to and desiring of going through a little alcohol program and maybe doing some community service. And then the city dismisses all charges."
Sounds like the lawyer really wants J R to accept responsibility for his "guilt." I love the "maybe" doing community service... guess he wants to check Smith's social calendar and see if he could squeeze it in! And a "little" alcohol program-- not a big one, not one that's too involved... just a little one.
Funny-- we posted the same comment at exactly 1:00 PM, with quotes around the same two words...
"little" alcohol program and "maybe" community service.
^ haha I know. u must be a smart one
hey-- I was thinking the same thing.
Last edited by Tully365; 07-18-2008 at 01:14 PM.
spurs have tried to get ron before
There is no upside to missing out on J.R. Smith. This incident was an old one that the Spurs already knew about. This article was just an update.
True-- but it happened between the last time the Spurs expressed interest and this free agency season. It also casts doubt on the "Smith is learning from his mistakes and maturing" theories. What would he have to do to make you definitely say you don't want him, even if he can shoot?
I feel a lot better having Roger Mason-- a guy that studied architecture in college, designed his own house, learned foreign languages while playing in Europe.... and who plays defense. It's called character. I'd say that's a great move by the FO that is under-appreciated.
They are not mutually exclusive events in my mind. You do not have to only like one or the other. I like Mason. J.R. Smith would have been better in my opinion. I am not willing to judge 22 year old's and forsake them. No question he has growing up to do. Could the Spurs have helped him in that cause? In my estimation they would have had as good of a chance as anyone.
I'm not forsaking him as a human being-- I'm just not sure I'd want to hire him to work for my company, or organization. There's a fine line between accepting a person with character flaws that can help and simply not having standards at all. The problem I see is his at ude extends to the court-- too many shots, no defense, too much hot-dogging.... I'd rather the Spurs keep the boring label and not compromise their reputation for high standards.
The biggest upside to not pursuing Smith is the fact that the Spurs come away with Mason-- if Smith had signed an offer sheet, the Nuggets would have dumped Camby and matched, and the Spurs very well might have been unable to sign any free agents.
This is, at least, a real classy guy--he sprayed them with Moet Chandon before tearing her dress and spitting on her.
I'd certainly be willing to have that type of thing happen to my daughter in order to have him play here [sarcasm/]
Rodman? Glenn Robinson?
Within each industry there are standards of right and wrong. Would you hire him to be a teacher? No. But in the NBA where the players make the money they do for the talents they have, J.R. is not that unacceptable. I think he has standards, but he is just immature. When you give a young person with talent all the money and freedom he wants, then sometimes you get foolishness. Not making excuses, because there are plenty of examples of people in his position making the right decisions, but I feel in this industry he is worth the risk.
He does what his team does. No one plays defense, everyone shoots too much and they all hot-dog. Gino hot-dogs sometimes, so does TP.
One thing I really liked seeing from J.R. was in this last playoffs against the Lakers. He hates to lose. He took it personal that Kobe was shredding the Nuggets and show boating. So he took it upon himself to guard him one-on-one. He was jawing at him and challenging him and never backed down. Given, he got absolutely torched by Kobe, he showed me something that I had not seen before, fire.
Why would your angel of a daughter be at a bar at such late hours? Not saying at all that it was her fault in any way, but if you go to clubs and drink, you have to expect things to happen (fights, drinking, dancing...)
Now you're being silly, defending JR for his negative actions but questioning the hypothetical judgement of someone who stays out late at a bar? I've stayed out late at bars twice this week and managed not to spit on anybody... or accidentally kill anybody...
going to bars is not inherently bad-- spitting on someone is. That's the difference. Fights and drinking and dancing (peanutbutter jelly time!) happen at basketball games too.
Did the "involuntarily killing his best friend" thing happen before the "grabbing, tearing, spitting, spraying" thing?
DPG21920, I agree with your point about giving someone immature and perhaps reckless lots of time and money. It's an unfortunate fact of life.
Maybe he's not a quick learner. It's one thing if the mistakes he's making cost him, but with legal troubles and potential jail time, surely his team has got to be concerned (or any team potentially considering him).
Tully, I clearly said that I am not saying it was the girls fault at all. But it is funny how people always assume there side is innocent. If you dress like Halloween, then you will surround yourself with ghouls is all I am saying.
I go out to bars, I am a mature and peaceful person, yet I still have been put in situations that are less than desirable.
I don't understand why anyone would want JR Smith after what he did in 07 playoffs, he managed to help the Spurs playing for the other team because of his refusal to play team basketball, defend, and basically use his brain on the court.
He is like Stephon Marbury, only less talented.
you do know
pop drinks wine
that is alcohol
holt also checked him because of a alcohol problem
spurs just gave pop a new le and he likes alcohol
just because smith likes alcohol does not make them not want him
spurs thought the nuggets would cut someone to make room for jr and they did
camby
spurs still could be very interested in this dude
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