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Donnie Nelson getting pushed around by the head coach yet again. The more things change the more they stay the same.
I bet Rick is a big reason they didn't do the trade. Word is he's got a big boner for Josh, and he also isn't as open to coaching Artest as he says.
Donnie Nelson getting pushed around by the head coach yet again. The more things change the more they stay the same.
One way or the other I want the hole at SG filled. They better have a Plan B.
"We love our team."
"This is the best team we've had in the Cuban era."
"Our Big Three (Dirk, Kidd, Josh) is as good as anybody's."
I still think we should have kept devin if we knew breath would block the trade.
Think about it,if that worthless scrub didnt block it we wouldve had Kidd AND Miller which would fill the hole at sg
The Mavericks, for whatever reason, are refusing to entertain a trade involving Josh Howard, who apparently is a great player and a possible all star. The only way we get Artest now is if someone like Kidd or Dirk pulls a Kobe and demands that Mark or Donnie get some help. Kidd isn't going to do it, and Dirk isn't that kind of guy, so I see us being exactly the same team as last year + Diop.
I'd garner that we are willing to give up Josh, but the deal with Sac would have to return some talent of value. That talent most surely is Francisco Garcia, 3 year 2 guard who is 6'7 and is coming off the best year of his short career. Garcia unfortunately is locked behind Kevin Martin who is approaching the all-star level and probably won't be played at the point guard spot because they've signed Beno Udrih to a nice contract. Garcia is the odd man out the Mavs and Kings both know it. In my opinion trading with the Mavs makes the most sense for the Kings so I believe a deal for Artest will get done. The particulars probably lie with Artest's extension that he will most certainly want before the deal is done.
I believe this deal is close to be had... keep up the faith Mono and Findog, because you're analysis of what the Mavs need is correct, but don't underestimate Donny and Cuban's knowledge, they know exactly what they are doing and don't want to repeat the mistakes of the Kidd trade...
Wait that, they dont know .
honestly i think that the mavs want more out of the deal. it wouldnt suprize me if they were trying to get someone like Garcia or Salmons as well.
ya ^
I'd do Artest for Stackhouse and Bass, but it doesn't look like Petrie wants to. Petrie seems adamant on adding Kenny Thomas to any Artest trade and that is what seems to be scaring other teams off.
As a King, I would do that.
Stack is no Artest (nor is he a playoff performer) but he is consistent, and Bass is solid.
Artest is like a box of chocolate... ya never know what your gonna get...
Maybe we should all slow down on the Knee jerk reaction to the FO turning down the trade.
1. The kings have no leverage at this point, because clearly they HAVE to trade Ron Artest.
2. The Mavs DONT Have to Trade Josh Howard.
3. Ron artest has an expiring contract and thus the kings get the better benefit of the swap.
4. FO may be playing hard ball to get a better deal, which after the Pau Gasol and Marcus Camby trade, they have every reason to do so.
5. The kings are trying to play hard ball but in the long run, they know and we know, that going through the season with Ron Ron is and will be impossible.
6. Imagine if the Mavs could get Josh and Ron at the 2 and 3 spots.
Now those are just a few reasons why the Mavs should wait it out and avoid acting like a giddy kid who just got a valentine's day card in kindergarten. The fact is, the kings are trying to get somewhat of an equal value because the Lakers refuse to give them Odom. They thought they could squeeze the mavs arm to get a somewhat all starish player(omitting the playoff BS). Eventually, we have a 1/4 chance to get the deal done with our bass+stack offer. What are their alternatives??
lets see:
Barbosa from Suns (the kings are loaded with SGs. See Salmons, Garcia, K.Martin)
Possibly an expiring Marion from Miami (expiring 4 expiring is a negative ghostrider)
Lakers(wont offer Odom until the fate of bynum and Sasha are sealed)
Rockets(Shane Battier?? Seriously??)
They don't want this to linger any longer but let's play the waiting game with them..So go ahead and pull up a lawn chair and wait for the fireworks..
Big 4...
Dirk. Kidd. Josh. Stack...
Beats the Bucks big 4...
I stopped reading after this utterly stupid remark.
The Kings don't HAVE to trade Artest and them not doing so before last year's deadline only proves my point. If Petrie doesn't get what he feels is equal value, Artest stays. Artest is in a contract year and will be forced to perform this upcoming year. His play is worth more than he is paid at this point, and after this season his salary will disappear off the King's books. In actuality, the Kings are the ones with the leverage here.
Now I'll read your other points and see if they are as clueless as the first.
For a contending team (obviously not the Mavs) there is virtually no risk in acquiring Artest. If it doesn't work out, big deal, you got him on the cheap and he's off your books at seasons end. If it does work out (L.A. Lakers), you've got yourself another ring.
The whole point to acquiring Artest from our perspective is that under the right proposal, him coming here vaults Dallas from the bottom half of the West playoff picture back into the elite level with the Spurs, Lakers and Hornets. You could argue that swapping Howard for Artest is a lateral move for us, but those two guys straight up for each other doesn't work. The Kings want to dump off Kenny Thomas in any deal for Artest and the Mavs would probably ask for Salmons or Garcia as well if they have to take KT. Until an actual trade takes place, it's premature to say that Artest wouldn't improve the Mavs.
A non-contending team has no incentive to bring in a risky headcase like Artest.
I don't think it vaults you that high where as Lakers/Spurs acquiring him almost guarantees a finals appearance.
Him going to Dallas instead of LA or San Antonio prevents them from improving via Artest. Acquiring him is a zero-sum game for all potential trade partners.
Good. We don't need any cancers on our team. Howard looks innocent when you compare him to Artest. Artest would single handedly destroy our offense.
It still doesn't make up for the Kidd trade though. That was the worst trade ever.
Oh really? I had no idea you felt that way. Why did you never speak up before?
Michael Finley is the worst Maverick ever. He never did anything for the franchise and was full of suck.
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