Attn: Online Poker Players

[MannyIsGod]

you guys for starting this thread and giving me the itch to play again. Someone find me a way to deposit some money dammit!

If i go to my full tilt cashier screen they let me use a E-check, some cash transfer (i'm guessing WU), and credit cards.

Just do an echeck imo.

[MannyIsGod]

What are you guys doing with suited connectors when the preflop raise is large? (General question with variables needed, i know.)

Heath: I did indeed fold on the above all in after the flop. Did not get to see the turn and river as i was last. Same exact scenario happened twice more in that early round in hands where others called. One hit flush, one did not. So assuming mine would not have, the old 30 percent held true.

Reason i ask is I'm sure you've had tourneys where after a draw like that with early potential to become huge chip leader, you don't get another freakin draw the rest of the tourney.

Doubling up early in a tourney usually means jack . All in on a draw like that is horrible. You want to play draws strong when you have fold equity, you don't want to call from behind like that unless you're getting great odds to do so. IE If I have a strong combo draw on a flop (pair + OESD + FD) then I'm likely to try to get it all in because I have a ton of equity in the pot and I also am likely to have a lot of fold equity (the ability to make him to fold stronger hands). Even if we get it all in I'm likely to have enough equity in the pot to make it profitable in the end.

Your question on suited connectors is way too vague.

[BacktoBasics]

If i go to my full tilt cashier screen they let me use a E-check, some cash transfer (i'm guessing WU), and credit cards.

Just do an echeck imo.

I'll look into it but isn't that specificly whats illegal now?

[MannyIsGod]

I'll look into it but isn't that specificly whats illegal now?

Nothing you do in this regard will get you prosecuted in any way since its not illegal on your end. I can't say whether or not its legal for them to do it, but I honestly don't really care.

*Disclaimer - I'm not a lawyer :-P

[BacktoBasics]

Nothing you do in this regard will get you prosecuted in any way since its not illegal on your end. I can't say whether or not its legal for them to do it, but I honestly don't really care.

*Disclaimer - I'm not a lawyer :-P

I get it. Its their liability not mine. I spent some time poking around at FT and it seems they're are still some ewallets I can use. Looks like I'll be back in business. I still don't understand how its possible to make this work but it if they'll let me do it then I'm in.

[MannyIsGod]

I get it. Its their liability not mine. I spent some time poking around at FT and it seems they're are still some ewallets I can use. Looks like I'll be back in business. I still don't understand how its possible to make this work but it if they'll let me do it then I'm in.

I'm not sure of any ewallets that allow Americans that are stable - PM what you plan to use before you do and I'll try to let you know how good it is.

Don't use mywebatm - I had bad experiences with them. I heard that prepaid phone card is bad too cause of all the fees. I haven't had to deposit in a long ass time but my understanding is that the money transfer through western union works well and echecks work well too.

[BacktoBasics]

I'm not sure of any ewallets that allow Americans that are stable - PM what you plan to use before you do and I'll try to let you know how good it is.

Don't use mywebatm - I had bad experiences with them. I heard that prepaid phone card is bad too cause of all the fees. I haven't had to deposit in a long ass time but my understanding is that the money transfer through western union works well and echecks work well too.

Yeah I'll sit down when I'm not at work and look at all the options. If its as simple as sending in a Western Union to deposit and get started I'll likely go that route and just have them send me checks back and endure the 10 or so day wait for a withdrawl. I doubt I'll be making regular deposits and withdrawls anyhow since I'm about as amateur as it gets.

[degenerate_gambler]

Yeah I'll sit down when I'm not at work and look at all the options. If its as simple as sending in a Western Union to deposit and get started I'll likely go that route and just have them send me checks back and endure the 10 or so day wait for a withdrawl. I doubt I'll be making regular deposits and withdrawls anyhow since I'm about as amateur as it gets.

best thing to do is once you've found where you want to play, call and talk to a cs rep about opening and loading an acct.

[MannyIsGod]

Oh yeah - if you don't have an account there make sure you look into rakeback. If you DO have an account I think they are allowing old accounts to get rakeback now but I'm not sure. Its free money.

[BacktoBasics]

I imagine I'll just go with FT since thats what you guys are recommending.

[MannyIsGod]

Poker Stars is good too.

[brettn]

Depends on what you're looking to play and which site you prefer. I haven't played on FT inahwhile, but from what I've heard, Pokerstars has the best selection and varietiy of tournaments available. If you're looking to play tournies, I'd go that route.

[Fabbs]

Freebies to join these sites, like where they claim they'll give you $600 to start. I did not read the fine print. Is this true, or too good to be true.

I'm guessing the $600 is spread out, some catch like *"for each $3000 you spend at our site, we add 50 dollars with a max of 600".

What are the best new joiner benefits?

[BacktoBasics]

Depends on what you're looking to play and which site you prefer. I haven't played on FT inahwhile, but from what I've heard, Pokerstars has the best selection and varietiy of tournaments available. If you're looking to play tournies, I'd go that route.

I'm predominantly looking to kill a few hours each evening playing cheap tables. This isn't gonna be a money maker or anything like that. Just want something to do during the boring summer weekdays. I might play a tourney once every few months but it'll hardly be a regular thing.

[brettn]

I'm predominantly looking to kill a few hours each evening playing cheap tables. This isn't gonna be a money maker or anything like that. Just want something to do during the boring summer weekdays. I might play a tourney once every few months but it'll hardly be a regular thing.

You could probably go with either FT or Pstars then. I'm sure there's not that big of a difference in skill level between the sites, especially at the cheap tables. You should probably just go with whichever site you feel more comftorable on.

[Dex]

I play at Bodog, and haven't ever tried much more than the free games at PStars.

Anybody whos tried a few have any suggestions or comparisons with Bodog and the others?

[Fabbs]

ok Manny Heath etc,
Tourney, about 60 people.
10 way chop is the custom.
25 entry, chop is usually around 350.

Opening freaking hand!
Draw:
Him (next to Big Blind) Kd 7c
Me As 10s

he opens with the BB, by the time it comes to me (6th position) yeah I also meet the blind but do not raise.

Flop:
Ks 9S 7S
So he has two pair, i have the nutt flush.

He opens betting with 1000, one other person goes, I raise to 1500. He matches, middle guy folds. Head to head.

Turn:
7h so the Bitty hits his greasy boat and bets 1000.
Licking my chops, I, full well knowing a pair is on the board and a 5% greasy boat is possible, go all in.

I'm done. 1st hand.
Reaction?

I say given the chance I'll make that exact same play and his greasy 5% hitting the boat can blow me. But I'm here to learn.

[MannyIsGod]

ok Manny Heath etc,
Tourney, about 60 people.
10 way chop is the custom.
25 entry, chop is usually around 350.

Opening freaking hand!
Draw:
Him (next to Big Blind) Kd 7c
Me As 10s

he opens with the BB, by the time it comes to me (6th position) yeah I also meet the blind but do not raise.

Flop:
Ks 9S 7S
So he has two pair, i have the nutt flush.

He opens betting with 1000, one other person goes, I raise to 1500. He matches, middle guy folds. Head to head.

Turn:
7h so the Bitty hits his greasy boat and bets 1000.
Licking my chops, I, full well knowing a pair is on the board and a 5% greasy boat is possible, go all in.

I'm done. 1st hand.
Reaction?

I say given the chance I'll make that exact same play and his greasy 5% hitting the boat can blow me. But I'm here to learn.

Calling PF with a hand like that is bad. Raise or fold. ATs does not play well with a bunch of limpers. You hit the nuts on the flop but you won't usually do that and you want to be able to win a hand if you miss with a cbet.

Raise more on the flop. If you can, just get it all in now. The last thing you want is a fourth spade to come on the turn and ruin all your action. If he's calling that raise he's calling a bigger one.

Everything after that is a no brainer.

And WTF @ a 10 way chop. Thats the gayest thing I've ever heard of in my life.

[Kori Ellis]

And WTF @ a 10 way chop. Thats the gayest thing I've ever heard of in my life.

No kidding. I refuse to chop even when I'm down like 10:1 two-handed.

[Fabbs]

Calling PF with a hand like that is bad. Raise or fold. ATs does not play well with a bunch of limpers. You hit the nuts on the flop but you won't usually do that and you want to be able to win a hand if you miss with a cbet.

Raise more on the flop. If you can, just get it all in now. The last thing you want is a fourth spade to come on the turn and ruin all your action. If he's calling that raise he's calling a bigger one.

Everything after that is a no brainer.

And WTF @ a 10 way chop. Thats the gayest thing I've ever heard of in my life.

yeah i see what you mean Manny, had i have raised perhaps he would have vanished his K7 preflop. But Manny, Kori and anyone else, I've had this established problem of winning a lot of pots per tourney, but usually not big ones thus i flame out in the end. My style usually is to "take it down" before the Bingo Bettys can hit their 20% or less bullschtick greasy draws. Hence today i thought finally I'm gonna start the tourney with some chips. Solution?
Hmmn the website calculater says i was *only* an 82.5%-17.5% favorite after the flop. I thought i was 95% thus i had no fear of his two pair and in fact wanted the turn to produce another spade so i would get more action. Fark!!! I have much to learn.

He was still a greasy leprochaun at 17.5%.

yeah, they customarily chop 10 ways at this joint. It is anyones perogative to say "play on" tho. I'd love to see you and Kori at the final table telling them no way, no chop.

Then in tourney 2 today i have AA preflop. Lower stack but not desperado goes in for 3K (blinds are 300/600 at this point.) I am second to act with only one more behind me. I have about 5.5K in chips. So i simply match his 3K, thinking I don't care if final guy does want to go all in, all the more for me as I'll take on 2 others with AA. 3rd guy goes the 3K bet, which puts him all in at about 2,700. Except that he is going with a flappin K3 offsuit. Bingo bitty hits a 3 on the flop and another on the turn to roast my AA with 333. I did take the sidepot so broke even.

I suppose you two will tell me i should have gone All In to discourage K3 from going at all. I dunno, if dumbass went with all of his chips on K3 offsuit I think he may well have gone All In irregardless of my raising. How the (*&^ do you overcome Bingo Bettys like that? He had about 5 hands like this. I honestly felt he had some kind of glasses or something, like we talked about in the other thread "live game cheating". Sam Bingo Asswipe finally got me out in 4th place on another 3 way whereupon my A/10 beat a 9/9 but lost to his A/7 on a turn 7 suckout. (A7Q3A board)

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Fabbs, with the AA you should have re-raised all-in pre-flop. Pocket pairs play best against fewer players, and if someone wants to call your all-in with the best hand make them pay for it.

As for being outdrawn by ty cards, meh, it happens. Play right, not for results.

Ruff - 200NL at a casino is the bottom of the barrel. 200 NL online is not. Its a decently difficult game. At a casino you're simply playing against much poorer players who are going to give you action with extremely weak hands. Online at 200NL you need to have a decent understanding of the game in order to win.

If you're not beating 50 NL online over a good amount of hands then chances are that you're game needs a lot of work. Its also possible its just varience kicking you in the face. I had a losing month in June at the tables and I played about 75k hands that month. I constantly review my play and for the most part (I tilted off here and there but nothing substantial) my plays were correct. Its just to point out that even over such a large number of hands you can have downswrings that are bad.

Without watching you play I really can't say what it is.

Thanks Manny, that actually helps a lot. I think I've been playing far too loose at online 200NL and trying to steal too much. I haven't played much 50NL online because I get frustrated by all the calling stations who go to the river with and outdraw you - at that level, a lot of people call anything to significant raises when they should be folding. It would be fine if only one person was doing it, but when you get 3-4 who shouldn't be calling a raise (which happens a lot), and one of them outdraws you, it becomes frustrating.

I don't really enjoy online poker anyway, so I'll stick to live games. Yes, 200NL is the bottom of the barrel, but it's such a fun, easy beat that I enjoy it. Some time soon I'm going to give 500NL a go, although I expect it to be a lot harder.

[scott]

The very simple fact there are text book answers to all of these situations is proof that poker has gone done the crapper. Poker has been significantly changed from a game of psychology to a game of rules and the robots that follow them.

[MannyIsGod]

The very simple fact there are text book answers to all of these situations is proof that poker has gone done the crapper. Poker has been significantly changed from a game of psychology to a game of rules and the robots that follow them.

This is simply not true.

[brettn]

The very simple fact there are text book answers to all of these situations is proof that poker has gone done the crapper. Poker has been significantly changed from a game of psychology to a game of rules and the robots that follow them.

Why, o ignorant poster!

[Heath Ledger]

10 way chops are not uncommon in vegas in the smaller buy in tourneys 40-60$ 100-150 players, usually the top 1 or 2 chip leaders will get a little juice but it does happen pretty often espeically where i play a lot (sahara)

Im currently looking for a house to move to in Vegas we very well may move before xmas like we had originally planned. You can find some nice new houses to rent there for $1200 -1400 here you can get a 2 bedroom apartment for taht much if your lucky (So/Cal)