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    Uh maybe Barry saw the writing on the wall. The Spurs can claim all they want that they wanted Barry to return, but they draft a combo guard in George Hill that everyone knows will be on the team because of the guaranteed contract, where in past drafts, the Spurs have traded away late first round picks or left them overseas. And, then the day after Barry signed with the Rockets, the Spurs sign Roger Mason, probably meaning they had already been in negotiations with Mason for a while. Maybe Barry feels more comfortable that he can get consistent minutes in Houston, even though they also have a logjam of guards.

    And, maybe he feels deep down inside that he can play at least two more years and wanted the security of a two year contract. Maybe it wasn't about a slight pay raise at all. The Spurs were weeding out the older players, whether subtle or not. Barry just made the decision easy for the Spurs. If it was the Spurs who waived Barry at the start of pre-season, there would be no issue. But, the fact Barry opted out and left, some feel it's a bit of an issue of loyalty.

    And, quite frankly, maybe Barry feels that Houston has a better chance of winning the next two seasons than the Spurs do. Spurs fans loved how Horry left the Lakers to join the Spurs. Who's to say it isn't a smart move by Barry in terms of having a better chance to win another le? Who knows. It might be.

    At the end of the day, Bruce probably doesn't really know what was said behind closed doors between RC/Pop and Barry. Maybe they told him he was going to go on the Shaq regular season schedule and play half the regular season to save himself for the playoffs. Maybe they told him they wanted him back but he wouldn't play much at all. Maybe they told him they were drafting George Hill and trying to add Roger Mason and they wanted him to mentor them but he wasn't going to play much at all. Bruce needs to realize it's not about pure loyalty to help your organization have cap flexibility. The franchise does what's in its best interest about 99.9% of the time. Just because Bruce does things one way, it doesn't mean every player should as well. And, if I remember correctly, Barry took a pretty sizable paycut to join the Spurs in the first place. Didn't he have an offer from Denver or some other team for considerable more money a few years ago when he signed with the Spurs. Bruce shouldn't really criticize.
    I agree with most of what you're saying but to say that Houston has a better shot of winning than the Spurs The ONLY way that could happen is IF Tmac and Yao stay healthy and play togther in the playoffs....not likely.

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    I didn't say Houston has a better shot of winning than the Spurs.

    I suggested that maybe Barry feels that way.

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    For everything, there is a season. A season for Brent Barry, a season for Robert Horry. And now a season for Hill, Gist and hopefully Tolliver...


    That's so true!!! There is an appointed time for everything.

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    It's clear the Spurs have undertaken a youth movement for their role players. In essence, they are following the Detroit model. A core of stars (the big 3) with a youthful bench to get them through the regular season with something left in the tank for the post-season.

    While it hasn't been announced, I will be surprised if Fin is back at all. I think Thomas is the last over 30 guy the Spurs bring back.

    * Vaughn bumped to 3rd string, Hill drafted
    * Barry let go, replaced by Mason
    * Horry let go, replaced by Gist and/or Bonner and/or Tolliver
    * Finley TBD
    * Ian brought in, impact TBD
    Great point, Aggie Hoopsfan!!


    I've been saying that all along. I believe the Spurs saw what the Pistons have been doing the last two years and thought it was time to go younger as well.

    Stuckey, Maxiell, Amir Johnson, & Affalo have worked well the vets on the Pistons Squad. And they still made it to ECF the last two years.

    I believe rookies can play well around an established vet core because the rookies aren't called on to lead or carry the major duties for the team. The vets will handle that!!!

    Also, I think it's a new season for the Spurs and it was time to go in a different direction. However, I will miss Brent (and Horry as well)!!!

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    That's what Bruce said today at a public event at Ashley's furniture on the NW side. He said it was disturbing that Brent chose to opt out of his contract.

    Also said that now that he's gone it allows the Spurs to grow.
    What does he mean by grow?

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    I love Barry, but he never really played up to expectations as a Spur. I wouldn't go so far to characterize his time here as a catastrophic failure, but calling it a rather large disappointment is about right. If he goes to Houston and passes up open shots like he did when he was here, he won't have much better of a time there.

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    I love Barry, but he never really played up to expectations as a Spur. I wouldn't go so far to characterize his time here as a catastrophic failure, but calling it a rather large disappointment is about right. If he goes to Houston and passes up open shots like he did when he was here, he won't have much better of a time there.
    His style of play didn't really match up to what the Spurs were doing. I think that's part of the reason he opted out. He said as much in his press conference. I have a feeling he will look much more comfortable in Adelmans read and react type of style.

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    Take a guy who when the Spurs signed him was still a quality starting 2-guard in the league, was a natural scorer, and had play-making abilities. Tell him that not only is he making less money than he could have, but his minutes will go way down and despite being a natural scorer and playmaker, he's going to be at best a fourth or fifth scoring option and most of his points will be stand still jump shots from kickouts and swings. Exactly what should have the Spurs expected from him? He sacrificed money and playing time to try to win a le in San Antonio. He won two les. I think he's cool with it. Now he's moving on. Depicting or labeling him as any kind of failure is beyond harsh as a criticism in my opinion.
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    Barry just wanted to follow in his father and brother's footsteps. I forget...did they ever win a le as Rocket? Hmm...

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    As much as I hat to say it, it ultimately boiled down to money.
    As much as I hate to say it, you don't have a ing clue what happened.

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    As much as I hate to say it, you don't have a ing clue what happened.

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    Barry just wanted to follow in his father and brother's footsteps. I forget...did they ever win a le as Rocket? Hmm...
    There is a first time for everything.

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    There is a first time for everything.
    Pffftt



    Not with that MASH unit and collection of chokers.

    Give it up already Rocket fan. Adelman, McGrady is not the combo you want in the friggen playoffs.

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    If the Rockets sign Swen Nater next, I swear I will burst an aneurysm out of rage.

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    I'm thinking if they sign Frank Brickowski I'm gonna burn down Toyota Center.

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    Not with that MASH unit and collection of chokers.

    Give it up already Rocket fan. Adelman, McGrady is not the combo you want in the friggen playoffs.
    If we stay healthy I guarantee we will finish ahead of the Spurs, and that includes the playoffs.

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    If we stay healthy I guarantee we will finish ahead of the Spurs, and that includes the playoffs.
    Ok

    You think that kiddo

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    There is a first time for everything.
    Not with Tmac on your team.

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    Not with Tmac on your team.
    Everyone Says T mac is a chocker, but he has never really had the tools around him to suceed. If you take the time to check his playoff performances he is actually a beast, and that's with constant double and triple teams. Everyone says Manu is an incredible player but he has the Luxury of playing with Tim And Tony. Switch T-mac with him and your team become the scariest mother ers in the league, while Houston wouldn't make the playoffs with Manu in his role. Thanks to Darryl Morey, we are adding more depth which is all we really need.

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    Never had the tools around him to succeed???? What about just to get out of the first round?

    Two playoffs ago, the Rockets were up on the Jazz 3-2 with game 7 in Houston.

    In 2002-03, the Orlando Magic were up 3-1 on the Pistons in the first round, with three different chances to win that series.

    T-Mac's stats in the playoffs are pretty good. But, don't give him any excuses about playoff failure. He's been in good enough position several times to get out of the first round and hasn't. Sure, it's a team game. But, don't excuse his playoff failures. There have been other great players with less help that have gotten out of the first round of the playoffs.

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    Everyone Says T mac is a chocker, but he has never really had the tools around him to suceed. If you take the time to check his playoff performances he is actually a beast, and that's with constant double and triple teams. Everyone says Manu is an incredible player but he has the Luxury of playing with Tim And Tony. Switch T-mac with him and your team become the scariest mother ers in the league, while Houston wouldn't make the playoffs with Manu in his role. Thanks to Darryl Morey, we are adding more depth which is all we really need.
    Manu is winner every place he's played. Can't say that for Me-Mac....And if Me-Mac was on our sqaud instead of Manu we wouldn't make it past the first round...

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    Manu is winner every place he's played. Can't say that for Me-Mac....And if Me-Mac was on our sqaud instead of Manu we wouldn't make it past the first round...
    Your kidding right. T-Mac on the Spurs would be ridiculous. There is no way it makes the Spurs worse.

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    We now need to resign Horry and Thomas to tutor Ian. Vaughn gets most of the backup minutes until January when Hill takes over[hopefully]. Hill might even play some #2 if we go small. FO hoping that Gist and/or Hairston make the inactive list. If Thomas signs with the Lakers we are in bad shape at the bigs. IMO the FO is gambling that Mason, Hill, Ian, and Gist will be abel to contribute. They are rolling the dice.

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    Your kidding right. T-Mac on the Spurs would be ridiculous. There is no way it makes the Spurs worse.
    Talentwise of course it would make the Spurs better but what about the 20-30 games a year he misses? That's more work for Tim, Tony and the rest of the squad. That's why the Rockets can't win with him.

    Don't get me wrong. I think TMac could be a top five player because he's got top 5 talent but his body and sometimes his mind lets him down.

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    Agreed, but I thought the debate was based on if Houston and San Antonio being healthy.

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