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    If a church is a pine tree, liberal theology is the pine bark beetle, and gay marriage is a fungus that grows on rotting logs long after the tree has died.
    Spoken like a fundamentalist druid of yesteryear.

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    You've got to be kidding me. Gay people want to be recognised equally under the law because marriage is essentially a legal ins ution which gives participants a raft of rights and benefits.

    You're an interesting one Brutalis - often you're quite insightful, but at other times a complete dumbass. Anyway...
    Wrong. Marriage is a holy sanction that our government turned into a legal ins ution. I have no problem with gays or them getting married. Just not in a place that condemns them for it.

    I have three gay friends. One guy two girls. All three of them agree, which shows me if just one could agree they see the truth of the matter.

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    If we limited church weddings only to those people without sin based upon the Bible, there would be no Church weddings at all.
    That has nothing to do with what I am saying at all, and is beside the point. We are talking about what the bible condemns. It does not condemn impure thoughts, or saying or stuff like that. It condemns murder, laying with the same sex, and more than just the 10 commandments.
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    I'm really sick and tired of people (not who I quoted above) that go around thinking about the church as a state. Just because our government politics it up does not mean they are subject to our personal "what's right and what's not right" beliefs. Either you abide by it and go with what the bible says, or you don't. You can't have it and marry a gay at the same time. Just like you can't be on a diet and eat a juicy cheeseburger at the same time. You can however, be as ignorant as you want. The bible is not subject to bending and twisting around over what anyone thinks is right. It has a lot to do with the government for years now have been trying to take the bible and church out of the state/government. They want to rid of it, and do what they want and not face the ridicule over what this country was built on- church, and bible. That's not the only reason but it's one.

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    Salad tastes like but I eat it anyways. The gunk I pull out under my lawnmower smells the same. Fresh lettuce or dark green romaine, tastes all the same. No matter how much ranch or bacon bits I cover it with.

    Most Canadians will never admit, or say this aloud. And not all of them are like this. But they think they are better than Americans, and dislike our country.

    China is communistic yet has a better government than we do.

    Abe Lincoln was a stupid little .

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    Wrong. Marriage is a holy sanction that our government turned into a legal ins ution. I have no problem with gays or them getting married. Just not in a place that condemns them for it.

    I have three gay friends. One guy two girls. All three of them agree, which shows me if just one could agree they see the truth of the matter.
    Okay so if gay people get married in a church they violate the sanc y of marriage? What about people who marry thru the church and then divorce? Is that not also a violation of the sanc y of marriage? Why is there a smaller outcry in the church about divorce vs. gay marriage? One is much more prevalent than the other.

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    The Lakers cheated. And it's not the first time. Gasol trade was just the obvious one.

    The Patriots cheated. As much money and news they have made for the league they will never get in trouble for it. But they have been cheating since that coach took command.

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    Okay so if gay people get married in a church they violate the sanc y of marriage? What about people who marry thru the church and then divorce? Is that not also a violation of the sanc y of marriage? Why is there a smaller outcry in the church about divorce vs. gay marriage? One is much more prevalent than the other.
    I dunno, do they? Again someone feels like quoting me either putting words in my mouth or rambling about something that has nothing to do with what I say. But since you wanna bring it up, then yes they do. And same goes for straights that divorce. It's all the same just done in different ways if you wanna go on about that subject.

    Has to do with my point however would you like to try again? Try to read back, I question why gays do it to begin with when they are condemned and do not have "Gods blessing" to start with? Why do it anyways? What's the point? A straight person trying to tell me different is funny to me, although we all have our own opinions. I've already been through the motions on this subject and the subject of gays adopting children as well.

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    I'm down with all of those except the alcohol call and the USA call. You've never been to Oz, have you LJ?
    He lived in Australia when he was young.

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    I dunno, do they? Again someone feels like quoting me either putting words in my mouth or rambling about something that has nothing to do with what I say. But since you wanna bring it up, then yes they do. And same goes for straights that divorce. It's all the same just done in different ways if you wanna go on about that subject.

    Has to do with my point however would you like to try again? Try to read back, I question why gays do it to begin with when they are condemned and do not have "Gods blessing" to start with? Why do it anyways? What's the point? A straight person trying to tell me different is funny to me, although we all have our own opinions. I've already been through the motions on this subject and the subject of gays adopting children as well.
    Hey I wasn't challenging you, I was just asking!!! As far as gays not having God's blessing, I was raised Catholic and I was taught that divorce didn't have "God's blessing" either. I just thought you would offer an opinion as to why gay marriage causes such an uproar, and people are tending to turn a blind eye on divorce, when it is much more common.

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    Hey I wasn't challenging you, I was just asking!!! As far as gays not having God's blessing, I was raised Catholic and I was taught that divorce didn't have "God's blessing" either. I just thought you would offer an opinion as to why gay marriage causes such an uproar, and people are tending to turn a blind eye on divorce, when it is much more common.
    Well I agree about the god's blessing thing. Whether you're gay and marry in a church, or straight and divorce, you don't have that blessing.

    And people turn an eye because it's so common, well.. look at the world today. Nobody cares about anything other than themselves. So of course they will look the other way. And it's in such an uproar for the fact that I made, millions of people just don't understand why they want to do it in a church when you can just marry somewhere else. Not that we are against them being married, just in a church is all. For me it's like, don't go pissing on the flower bed. It's not right.

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    Spoken like a fundamentalist druid of yesteryear.
    I used to get irritated about the "fundamentalist" label, since I don't actually adhere to the 19 Fundamentals, or the principles of division, or nuda Scriptura, or the stuff that comes along with it like young-earth creationism.

    Later I learned that to those wielding that label, "fundamentalism" means "actually believes that nonsense about Jesus being God."

    So, guilty as charged.

    Liberal* Christianity is an oxymoron.

    *Liberal as in theology. Outside the U.S., Christians frequently are socialists.

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    Okay so if gay people get married in a church they violate the sanc y of marriage? What about people who marry thru the church and then divorce? Is that not also a violation of the sanc y of marriage? Why is there a smaller outcry in the church about divorce vs. gay marriage? One is much more prevalent than the other.
    If there are priests or pastors out there who actually are presiding over the breakup of marriages, then they would be applicable to your point.

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    Gay couples should not be allowed to raise children.

    What does your life partner think of that? Are you two looking into an adoption?

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    In the Middle East.

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    In the Middle East.

    The dental industry is a sham.

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    and a mockery

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    Hey I wasn't challenging you, I was just asking!!! As far as gays not having God's blessing, I was raised Catholic and I was taught that divorce didn't have "God's blessing" either. I just thought you would offer an opinion as to why gay marriage causes such an uproar, and people are tending to turn a blind eye on divorce, when it is much more common.
    Most of American "Christianity" is actually a moralistic theraputic deist consumerism. The pop theology of the nation is that god is an aloof being who wants you generally to be nice, and whom you can call upon when you need something, but who otherwise stays out of your way and lets you do what you want. According to this pop religion, the most important thing in life is to do what makes you happy. Oh, yeah, and usually being "happy" involves having more stuff, and entire "churches" will be centered around "marketing" and catering to "consumers" who are never asked to do anything but show up, get a nice fuzzy feeling, and maybe give some money to keep the show going.

    So, anyway, people will get married because they think it makes them happy, and then when they stop being happy, they get divorced. That's America. The solemn nature of matrimony never enters the picture. The primacy of family is rejected in favor of radical individualism. The idea of marriage being an eikon of Christ and his church is never discussed. The notion of love being a decision rather than a feeling is ignored. The notion of "two becoming one" is reduced to a sentimentality. Sacrifice is a pla ude.

    I guess if one accepts that abomination which these days passes for "marriage," then sure, go ahead and keep on debasing it with whatever other novelty you can come up with in the name of tolerance. The opposition to gay marriage among most of these "Christians" is just a faint recollection of some teaching lost long ago, now coming back to smack them in the face. Somehow they know it's wrong, but have no idea why. Well, the feeling will soon pass and they'll get back to sitting in those plush theater seats and listening to the preacher tell them how God wants to give them lots of money.

    I eagerly await the days soon to come when people who oppose having the church perform polyamorous or incestuous marriages are the troglodytes. After all, who are we to question how people find "love?" Those people who find "love" in groups of people with whom they have sex, or in siblings or parents, or (hey, why not?) in animals or robots probably experience "god" in a more spiritual and mature way anyway than us knuckle-draggers who believe in a specific and special revelation made two millenia ago anyway, right? "God is love" as long as we human beings get to define what "love" is.

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    We are talking about what the bible condemns. It does not condemn impure thoughts, or saying or stuff like that. It condemns murder, laying with the same sex, and more than just the 10 commandments.
    It condemns that in the Book of Leviticus, which is in the Old Testament. Within the Old Testament, you are given rules on how to treat your slaves, under what cir stances to give your daughter to another man, and are told that women are twice as impure as men. If a woman has given birth, she cannot enter the Church for 33 days, if its a boy. If its a girl, then they must stay out for 66 days. The Old Testament means nothing in regards to how modern society should be run law-wise.

    Why would God create a creature in His own image if He wanted it to be condemned? God never sat down at his desk scratching out notes in the first draft of his memoirs, the Bible. Man wrote it. And mankind can be pretty stupid and manipulative.

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    The so called sanc y of marriage is a moot point since God doesnt even exist anyway.

    All religions are nothing but glorified cults.

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    It condemns that in the Book of Leviticus, which is in the Old Testament. Within the Old Testament, you are given rules on how to treat your slaves, under what cir stances to give your daughter to another man, and are told that women are twice as impure as men. If a woman has given birth, she cannot enter the Church for 33 days, if its a boy. If its a girl, then they must stay out for 66 days. The Old Testament means nothing in regards to how modern society should be run law-wise.

    Why would God create a creature in His own image if He wanted it to be condemned? God never sat down at his desk scratching out notes in the first draft of his memoirs, the Bible. Man wrote it. And mankind can be pretty stupid and manipulative.
    That this erroneous line of reasoning is not more readily refuted demonstrates the lack of biblical literacy among "Christians." To wit:

    Jesus told the apostles they would inherit his teaching authority.
    After his ascension, a controversy arose regarding what parts of the Jewish Law Gentile converts to Christianity were expected to uphold.
    This controversy was referred to the apostles who convened in a council in Jerusalem, which is chronicled in Acts 15.
    At that council, it was determined that the Gentiles should abstain from sexual immorality, from drinking blood, and from eating meat sacrificed to idols.

    So the Levitical laws regarding sexual immorality apply to Christians, but none of the other stuff you mentioned does.

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    China is communistic yet has a better government than we do.
    What a dumb ing statement.


    Your opinion sucks.

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    If a church is a pine tree, liberal theology is the pine bark beetle, and gay marriage is a fungus that grows on rotting logs long after the tree has died.
    So, liberal (or, in fact, revolutionary theology) is only good until the Protestant Reformation happens? Then it's bad?

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