The unpopular opinion thread

[peewee's lovechild]

IHow did I generalize...it's in my nature to be monogamous, and it has been since before I had any concept of religious right or wrong. that's proof that it is in the nature of some.

So, because it happened to you, it must've happened to so many more?

[peewee's lovechild]

Survival is a natural thing for man, in fact we do it better and with more versatility than any other mammals....and marriage is a survival construct, a product of the adaptive ability of man and at a times a necessity due to the unique biology, and growth period of man, not to mention the numerous environments we are capable of surviving in.

How does marriage help us survive, o wise one?

Wouldn't us mating with several females and producing all sorts of offspring ensure that we have the numbers needed for survival?

Even a dumbass probably easily knows that our closest relatives are the Chimpanzee and they are not monogamous, they practice infanticide and all sorts of other that is generally looked down upon by thriving aspects of humanity...


How's it working out for them?

It's working out for them just fine.

One of theirs even made it out to space before any American did.
But, I digress.

As for infanticide, humans have been guilty of that for thousands of years.

Check Sparta, for example.

But, you probably already knew that.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Even a dumbass probably easily knows that our closest relatives are the Chimpanzee and they are not monogamous, they practice infanticide and all sorts of other that is generally looked down upon by thriving aspects of humanity...


How's it working out for them?

i don't think he's the one to ask

[whottt]

Marriage is a natural thing for man.

Yes...and so is to not be married. And so is for one man to more than one mate, so is at times, for a woman to have more than one mate....

It's all natural to us...

Man is not part of the animal kingdom.

We are biolgical organisms and by that definition we are animals, but we are unlike any other animals on this planet...


Turn off your PC.

Such is the wisdom of the anthropologist whott.

Let me know how turds taste........

[whottt]

How does marriage help us survive, o wise one?

Because idiot..in nature, a woman being alone and rearing a child at times had a radically reduced chance of survival...as did her child.


So if Joe Stud is out there busy ing every woman he sees instead of actually ensuring the survival of some of them, imparting the skills necessary to the child's survival, the human race would not be thriving now.

Wouldn't us mating with several females and producing all sorts of offspring ensure that we have the numbers needed for survival?

Not if they're a bunch of dumbasses that can't survive...

We aren't born naturally optimized for survival. We have to learn it...


The animals would kick our asses right now if we tried to live like they do. Without the benefit of biocultural evolution.

It's working out for them just fine.

It is? Check again.

As for infanticide, humans have been guilty of that for thousands of years.

Check Sparta, for example.

I see...and how are the Spartans doing now? Thriving I suppose?

[Extra Stout]

How does marriage help us survive, o wise one?

Wouldn't us mating with several females and producing all sorts of offspring ensure that we have the numbers needed for survival?

Umm... I know women find your thick woolly back hair and rancid-hot-dog body odor irresistible, and throw their legs open as if spring-loaded when you stand within 50 feet, but for most of humanity the ladies discriminately choose their mates, so in settings where they selectively chose men who would care for them and help raise their offspring, marriage became normative.

[dimsah]

Umm... I know women find your thick woolly back hair and rancid-hot-dog body odor irresistible

[peewee's lovechild]

Because idiot..in nature, a woman being alone and rearing a child at times had a radically reduced chance of survival...as did her child.


So if Joe Stud is out there busy ing every woman he sees instead of actually ensuring the survival of some of them, imparting the skills necessary to the child's survival, the human race would not be thriving now.





Not if they're a bunch of dumbasses that can't survive...

We aren't born naturally optimized for survival. We have to learn it...


The animals would kick our asses right now if we tried to live like they do. Without the benefit of biocultural evolution.










It is? Check again.






I see...and how are the Spartans doing now? Thriving I suppose?

So, you're saying that humans are born stupid and they can't survive if not born into an environment of marriage.

Oh, and the Greeks are still around.

But, they weren't the only ones who practiced infanticide.
As a matter of fact, it still happens to this day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide

I looked it up for you.

And, why are you so interested in how tastes?
I thought humans were past that.

Or, is it that you're really interested in the taste of ?

[peewee's lovechild]

Umm... I know women find your thick woolly back hair and rancid-hot-dog body odor irresistible, and throw their legs open as if spring-loaded when you stand within 50 feet, but for most of humanity the ladies discriminately choose their mates, so in settings where they selectively chose men who would care for them and help raise their offspring, marriage became normative.

I don't have woolly hair.

[whottt]

Why don't you guys just say it's not in your nature to be monogamous and marry...because that's what the case really is. You aren't alone, lots of men are like that...as are lots of women, but that doesn't mean everyone is that way, nor should they be...we survive because of our adaptability and diversity...not because we are bunch of brainless s, producing equally brainless offspring, soley driven by the instinct to everything in site.

[peewee's lovechild]

Why don't you guys just say it's not in your nature to be monogamous and marry...because that's what the case really is. You aren't alone, lots of men are like that...as are lots of women, but that doesn't mean everyone is that way, nor should they be...we survive because of our adaptability and diversity...not because we are bunch of brainless s, producing equally brainless offspring, soley driven by the instinct to everything in site.

Link?

Proof?

Link?

[E20]

Marriage or limiting each other to one mate. Human emotions/desires in general interfere with the possiblities of having more than one mate for the sole reason of advancing the human species. We're too much of an advanced organism who can inhibit much more complex emotions to compare our well being and survival to that of animals, all though we fall under the same kingdom of animalia you have to look deeper into the classification system to compare.

[Extra Stout]

I have figured out what will supplant modernity: neo-tribalism. America will dissolve into a large number of tribes with a complex network of alliances and rivalries. When conflict emerges, the tribes most predisposed to violence will win.

Sorry, team Blue.

[whottt]

So, you're saying that humans are born stupid and they can't survive if not born into an environment of marriage.

No...you're saying that marriage isn't natural to man, when in fact some form of it is has appeared in virtually every culture in recorded history, monogamous and otherwise, not to mention there are example of it in nature ...and pointing to animals as proof of your point. This makes you quite possibly the biggest idiot I have ever egnaged in a debate. Even the entire foundation for your argument isn't 100% based in fact.


Furthermore, you seem to think what makes man man and will ensure our survival is the desire to everything in site and make as many babies as you can, when in fact there are countless examples in nature to prove this is noway ensures survival or a thriving population, and it's damn sure not what makes us man...as even insects practice it.

Oh, and the Greeks are still around.

I see...and I don't suppose you'd care to look up their population and growth totals now would you?

But, they weren't the only ones who practiced infanticide.
As a matter of fact, it still happens to this day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide

I looked it up for you.

And I'm pretty sure that most of the cultures practicing infanticide are doing so because they have a bunch of idiots incapable of any higher biological purpose than going around and ing everything in site and thus have exceeded the capacity of their land to provide for their survival...


Not only that but seeing as how what sets us apart from most of the animal kingdom is our capacity for empathy, the idea of inflicting pain on a ny human is moving us backwards...not forward. That's not evolution...that de-evolution.


Even if it would increase our numbers(and believe me, we really don't need that), the dumbass offspring and lack of survival resouces most likely would be moving us further away from men and more towards being animals.

And, why are you so interested in how tastes?
I thought humans were past that.

I'm not...I'm interested in you tasting it.

Or, is it that you're really interested in the taste of ?

Read a bunch of it recently...quite a bit actually.

But no...I just want to see you start living like animal like you are advocating we should do.


Animals aren't monogamous(even though some are) so we should be that way..

Well I am just saying animals also eat ...so you should do that too. I mean if animals doing it is a good reason for doing it...then animals doing it is a good reason for doing it.


Are we taking our cues from the animals or aren't we?

[midgetonadonkey]

I find it funny that peewee is arguing that marriage is not natural, yet he is married.

[CuckingFunt]

From a biological point of view, the human species has a concealed ovulation and very little sexual dimorphism. These are both typical of species whose mating systems are female dominant and/or monogamous.

[whottt]

I find it funny that peewee is arguing that marriage is not natural, yet he is married.

I think the other guys arguing it isn't natural are married too....

[peewee's lovechild]

No...you're saying that marriage isn't natural to man, when in fact some form of it is has appeared in virtually every culture in recorded history, monogamous and otherwise, not to mention there are example of it in nature ...and pointing to animals as proof of your point. This makes you quite possibly the biggest idiot I have ever egnaged in a debate. Even the entire foundation for your argument isn't 100% based in fact.

There are also records of men having more than one woman and having several kids.

Is it still considered marriage?

Can you give the definition to marriage?

And, if it's still considered marriage (when there's more than one woman involved), is it still monogomy?

Marriage is a human construct.
It's not natural.

Furthermore, you seem to think what makes man man and will ensure our survival is the desire to everything in site and make as many babies as you can, when in fact there are countless examples in nature to prove this is noway ensures survival or a thriving population, and it's damn sure not what makes us man...as even insects practice it.

But, it's done to ensure survival, isn't it?

Why do animals get in "heat" and mate?

Is it for the pure pleasure of it, or is there an element of survival to it?

I see...and I don't suppose you'd care to look up their population and growth totals now would you?

Google Greece, I'm sure you'll find all the info you want.

And I'm pretty sure that most of the cultures practicing infanticide are doing so because they have a bunch of idiots incapable of any higher biological purpose than going around and ing everything in site and thus have exceeded the capacity of their land to provide for their survival...

You're point was that chimps practice infanticide and that we're better than them.

I just pointed out that humans have been doing it for thousands of years and continue doing so.

Not only that but seeing as how what sets us apart from most of the animal kingdom is our capacity for empathy, the idea of inflicting pain on a ny human is moving us backwards...not forward. That's not evolution...that de-evolution.

Oooookay.

Even if it would increase our numbers(and believe me, we really don't need that), the dumbass offspring and lack of survival resouces most likely would be moving us further away from men and more towards being animals.

So, why is marriage important again?

I'm not...I'm interested in you tasting it.

Your quick wit is impressive.

Read a bunch of it recently...quite a bit actually.

But no...I just want to see you start living like animal like you are advocating we should do.


Animals aren't monogamous(even though some are) so we should be that way..

Well I am just saying animals also eat ...so you should do that too. I mean if animals doing it is a good reason for doing it...then animals doing it is a good reason for doing it.


Are we taking our cues from the animals or aren't we?

So, all animals eat ?

What was that you said about generalizing?

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

From a biological point of view, the human species has a concealed ovulation and very little sexual dimorphism. These are both typical of species whose mating systems are female dominant and/or monogamous.

Um, yeah, what the chick with the jugs said, dude.

[Extra Stout]

I find it funny that peewee is arguing that marriage is not natural, yet he is married.

When he gets caught cheating, he will just blame evolution.

[peewee's lovechild]

From a biological point of view, the human species has a concealed ovulation and very little sexual dimorphism. These are both typical of species whose mating systems are female dominant and/or monogamous.

I get the concealed ovulation.

"very little sexual dimorphism"?

I fluff my feathers whenever a female is present.

[peewee's lovechild]

When he gets caught cheating, he will just blame evolution.

Thanks for that.

I got my "get out of jail free" card.

[peewee's lovechild]

From a biological point of view, the human species has a concealed ovulation and very little sexual dimorphism. These are both typical of species whose mating systems are female dominant and/or monogamous.

Maybe an arguement can be made about make up and other enhancements.

Maybe.

[CuckingFunt]

I get the concealed ovulation.

"very little sexual dimorphism"?

I fluff my feathers whenever a female is present.

You can fluff your feathers all you like, but you weren't born with a pea tail.

How we alter our appearance is decoration; it's not at the biological level. Biologically, there is very little difference between men and women -- hips, genitalia, boobs, and slightly different body hair patterns. That's it.

[peewee's lovechild]

hips, genitalia, boobs, and slightly different body hair patterns

I like those.