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The NBA is acting like they don't care, but I guarantee you within the next two years Stern will revise the rules as they stand.
What I wanna know in light of Delfino, Nachbar, Childress...is are there any other premium players being targeted by FIBA?
What about restricted free agents?
JR Smith
Landry
Cassell
Okafor
Deng
Gordon
Barea
Hermann
Monta Ellis
Gomez
Granted some of these guys just get paid too much and are not willing to try the Euroleague but...
Guys like JR Smith, Landry, Herrmann, Deng are ripe for the pickings.
NBA teams do not have matching rules with FIBA Euroleague teams. All the Euroteams have to do is raise their offer above what the match level is for restricted free agents.
The NBA is acting like they don't care, but I guarantee you within the next two years Stern will revise the rules as they stand.
You guys are failing to see this as a businessperson:
By NBA talent being wooed into Europe with Higher Salaries, that means that the parent companies that own these teams are spending more money. If they are spending more, they will have incentive to increase their own revenue to cover the cost of the big contracts. The best way to do this is by having modern arenas with proper suites, box seating, and modern concession.
That is what the NBA has been waiting for to globalize. The arenas. And Stern and the current owners, won't have to subsidize a single penny to bring these teams up to speed. The owners of the international teams will most likely want to take part in the marketing machine that is the NBA, and will allow for the NBA to expand into Europe, making this a truly global game...
NBA needs to have no salary cap.That will end all this.
Good theory,and you may be right. They also may be doing this to grow their own product seeing as the dollar is right now. Kick a man when he's down logic.
or..the Euroleague turns into a Superleague able to sustain itself. In this case, they don't need the NBA. Stern get left holding the bag as compe ion for players continues between two continents.
As is say before Panathinaikos already make huge offers in much more than Nachbar even get to players like Artest and Jamison. But they not accept. Also Scola get same and he accept it, but Rockets refuse leave him from contract.
Also Olympiacos give Anthony Parker the huge offer also more than Nachbar get, but also Raptors not let him from NBA contract. Also Panathinaikos is only allow have 2 American players because of Greek federation rules.
So is very complicate issue. Is not thing as easy as just offer money to NBA players or is be able to pay such amounts. Thing is also hard is at ude of US in basketball ways. Last summer remember Olympiacos offers Chris Webber $12 million per year in the net salary and he decide refuse because he believe European league is "insult" to NBA and is "joke".
As long as such idiots believe these thing NBA will be able to prevent lose players for little bit time more. But as agents start explain to the dumb players this just is part of NBA propaganda, like the ones people here always says which is all the lies, this will be also thing that change.
Yes Real Madrid, Lottomatica Roma, Olympia Milano, FC Barcelona, Olympiacos is all going to have NBA level arena. Is also new one in Berlin for German teams there and in Istanbul for Efes and Fener clubs. Panathianikos also plan to have new small arena for Greek league games and then upgrade Olympic hall for NBA level. This also is lease for teams like Panionios and AEK Athens.
Moscow have one also for hockey and is plan to be arena for CSKA for NBA standard. Also is NBA level arena come soon in Lithuania and can be for big Euroleague club Zalgiris there. So NBA arenas is start to come now to basketball clubs.
Do you believe that European basketball leagues are better or equal to the NBA?
Euroleague is not want to accept NBA merger. This is decision they make after season. Stern have give them his plan to have the 4 or 5 teams of Europe join NBA and they refuse this.
Because of this Stern say he will make NBA franchise there to compete with them and make Euroleague be bankrupt. They get mad at this. Is Stern decision do this that cause what is happen now.
Euroleague because of this decide have special meeting also with richest owners of teams from Russia League that is not in Euroleague. Decision is make to challenge NBA and not allow it try take over Europe. Decision is also make to start pay huge contract to NBA players and steal them from NBA and to start try block any more Euro players leave for NBA by offer much bigger contract than NBA can pay.
In some case it work like Splitter and Childress. In some case it not work like Anthony Parker and Rudy Fernandez. Even with CSKA offer Rudy $60 million contract he decide go NBA because of "promise" he get play time and "bigger" contract in future.Yes some European players is still dumb and falls for this NBA lie and tactic.
But because of Stern this is all happen now. Rich owners in Europe was not use all their money to compete with NBA but Stern anger them and now they will. And Euroleague change many rules. Change ruls to same as NBA for games. They also order owners of big clubs to start make profits of teams and start make merchandise deals. I know is say PAO and Olympiacos is order start make games online and start have games on tv for all Europe and such thing. Even to have the merchandise online for sale and all this.
before they not even care about make money they just do all for the fans and for hobbie. Now they actual must run like business and make money. Also Euroleague change rule teams must be in NBA like arena within couple years or cannot be in Euroleague.
So now they have NBA rules for game on court, will have the big arenas with the NBA technology and also they will have the teams with the games show all over Europe in tv and all over world in internet. This is all order by Euroleague as way to attract NBA players and change image they have in US about be poor. Is also the new decision include rich Russia owners in decisions even though they is not in Euroleague and is now why rich Russian clubs is give these huge contract like the $41 million for Boki.
What I know is when read how members here is talk about many players in Europe is like big joke. Everyone attack me on Spanoulis and say "he fail NBA" this is BS. Typical of at ude. he have crazy coach in NBA that hate and ruin him.
He is just one player I can give as example is be one of handful of very best point guards in all world. In NBA coach will not even play him. Also there is players like Papaloukas who is never even go to NBA.
There is players like Splitter can play verse Dirk and Kaman 1 against 2 and hold his own. There is many examples. Player like Diamantidis which is better defender than any player of NBA. There is player like Rubio consider best player in world in his age.
Of course is players from other countries also who used to also play in Europe before like Manu and Scola and Nocioni and ones like this Sabonis, Marciulonis, Petrovic, Shrempf, Radja and such players from Europe in past times. Is players from US like Galis that decide rather player in Europe than NBA and is have Bob McAdoo say is better than Bird and Magic.
Players like Dominique and McAdoo from US that goes to Europe. Is players like Dirk and Gasol, Parker, Calderon and those ones in NBA now who is from Europe and such.
What I know is read way NBA American fans in forum here talk about basketball level in Europe and also about just European players is craps and lies. If 100 superstars was in NBA come from Europe would still be "Euro players all suck".
If Euroleague team was to win world cup if it exist against NBA champion would still be all says here "Euroleague is joke league to NBA". Just same way no matter how many time US lose in FIBA tournaments we hear same craps about US is greatest of even in history of basketball and worst player on team is 100 times superior best player of other teams. Even few minutes after US lose these games in Europe we already hear "US dominates basketball world".
Most basketball friends I know now in Europe think NBA is nothing special anymore, just little bit better than Euroleague level and nothing more. Basketball players most from here not care anymore and think it is all hype. This different from before as in 1980 s of time NBA was consider like super league of whole world. Now is like just barely better than best Euroleague clubs is how NBA is view.
And is funny joke to most how we always are be explain by ones in US that in Europe all basketball fans worship NBA league and all NBA players.
Wow. Is this true?
One thing I need say here. NBA players is not being target by FIBA.
Yes is true.Wow. Is this true?
first off, two things...
1 - you are the least credible source i have ever seen on this board. i think jonathan was more credible than you.
2 - learn to speak english. if you are going to sit around and attempt to insult the intelligence of people (mainly residents of america), then how about you attempt to learn some in english and quit typing like a ing third-world dumbass.
anyways... you can say all you want about the NBA, and say how euros dont care about playing in the nba or whatever weird bull you spout off, but the facts speak for themselves. look at the globs of euro players in nba summer and d-league, trying to do what they can to make it in the NBA. not to mention the many foreign players that are in the NBA.
and your BS about people never saying euro players are good is ridiculous. Dirk is a perfect example. many people (not here considering its a spurs board) consider Dirk a top 5 player in the NBA right now, quite a few even argue that he could be considered top 3 at this point and have very good arguments for it as well. many people think that he will go down in the end as a top 4, possibly even top 2 PF of all time. how about all the props guys like Sabonis gets? anyone that watched the guy knows how gifted he was and if he had came to the NBA at a younger age, he could easily be considered among the greatest players of all time. euro players get a lot more props than you think, so cut the crybaby ass bull , quit ing whining, learn some english, and take V-Span's out of your throat.
Diamantidis is an amazing defender, but better than Bowen, Battier, Prince!!
I'll be patient, and wait to see how he does against Kobe in Beijing.
He is same as Bowen in one on one defense and Battier in team defense. But he is much more athletic than they are.
I knew the Euroleague wouldn't take the merger with the NBA well. It's cause Stern and his stalling on helping out the Euroleague and building good relations has taken a dive. Stern doesn't help out there. He just give lip service. Tells them a big fairy tail about NBA Europe. If he were to help them he'd sign a contract tomorrow for NBA explansion teams with the help of the NBA to reach all of Europe. Now we are going to get compe iion from an emerging basketball Superleague in Europe.
Nobody thinks this is anything right now. But the day they start signing one or two players like Gilbert Arenas or Lebron James, that is the day the NBA North America will take notice. If they follow the old American Basketball Association, they would go after the young stars and the number one draft picks of the NBA. Those guys are not established yet and they have the LLE rookie rule. Pay a guy like that 20-30 million a year and he's gonna be gone.
Why not? Makes sense to me if they did.
cause FIBA is a different organization from the Euroleague. Just a technicality, but while most American fans think of everything outside the NBA as Fiba controlled, that is not true.
In short, FIBA deals with the national team compe ions and the rules of international basketball. Club compe ion in Europe is run by a different organization altogether.
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The top players who have left the NBA to go in Europe are Nachbar and Delfino. They were both below average NBA players and played in Europe before signing with the NBA.
It isn't a big deal at all for the NBA if some "euro" players, who have done nothing special in the NBA, come back in Europe.
If Childress sign with Olympiacos, it will start to be more problematic for the NBA. Childress is an American player with no Euro roots and was better than Nachbar and Delfino.
You also had to look at what happens in Europe. The Euroleague is changing it's philosophy.
Right now, teams plays the Euroleague when they do well in their local leagues. It means that if a top team has some bad results for one year, they won't play the Euroleague the next year (some teams are more protected with a three years Euroleague ticket).
It's hard for teams to invest a lot of money if you aren't sure that you will play the most lucrative compe ion in Europe the next year. In 2 or 3 years, it will change and some teams will get a lifetime ticket for the Euroleague. With this safety, these teams will be able to invest a lot of money on an arena and players.
If the NBA wants to keep its best players, they have basically two choices : starting a financial war with Euro teams or making an Euro expansion to absorb Euroleague teams.
I don't think it is in the interest of the NBA to start a financial war with some Euro billionaires. The best solution is an Euro expansion and it should happens quickly if they want to absorb the Euroleague. If the NBA wait 2015 or 2020 to expand in Europe, it could be too late.
The NBA cannot wait that long and if it waits even 5 years it'll be too late. They have to make their move now with rules changes and expansion NBA teams. If they can't negotiate a fair deal for the European Billionaires there will be a European Superleague to compete with the NBA. The NBA needs to get it together within 2 years max.
Kill Bill like many other Euroball fans have a huge inferiority complex about the NBA. Hopefully this time we put together a good enough team to smash the compe ion and put all this "nba is equal to europe" bull to rest.
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