The Official I Wasn't That Impressed With The Dark Knight Thread

[peewee's lovechild]

Sure, there are people here whose response would lead one to believe they think that Ledger's performance as the Joker is better than Lewis' in There Will Be Blood. I'm not sure I agree with that, as I thought they were both pretty damned amazing.

I made the case that Ledger's performance was the best since Lewis' performance, if not just as good.

I stand by that statement.

[midgetonadonkey]

You're arguments make no sense.

Capote and There Will Be Blood were some of the most acclaimed and critically praised films.

But, whatever.

Maybe he was meant mainstream and financial success, not necessarily awards and crital acclaim.

[dickface]

Apparently exaggeration isn't a word in your dictionary, which is wierd considering "confound" is.

"No one" in that post was an exaggeration. "No one", in relation to the amount of people that has seen Batman, has seen TWBB, and thus "no one" will really appreciate it.

Another, probably better example of this: Philip Seymour Hoffman was better than Heath in this movie (way better), but even more so than TWBB, people ignored the movie.

EDIT: was referring to Copote

this may be the most nonsensical post in SpursTalk history.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

I just don't see how you can hope to support an argument that Lewis' performance was unappreciated (or, perhaps, under-appreciated) when he received pretty much every major acting award there is, received vast amounts of critical praise, and even had several threads here dedicated to his performance in that film.

I'm not using the awards he recieved as criteria to judge whether he was appreciated or not. Obviously, going by the amount of awards he recieved for it, he was greatly appreciated by the movie critics.

But I'm talking about the general public. I could give a about awards. In my OP I was referring to the GP, and in my second post I clarified that (since you didn't get who I was alluding to initially).

Your being confounded confounds me, frankly.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

this may be the most nonsensical post in SpursTalk history.

I clarified anything that may have been hazy in my second post, which is the one that you are quoting. I dont know how to help you.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

Maybe he was meant mainstream and financial success, not necessarily awards and crital acclaim.

thank you for understanding.

[CuckingFunt]

I'm not using the awards he recieved as criteria to judge whether he was appreciated or not. Obviously, going by the amount of awards he recieved for it, he was greatly appreciated by the movie critics.

But I'm talking about the general public. I could give a about awards. In my OP I was referring to the GP, and in my second post I clarified that (since you didn't get who I was alluding to initially).

Your being confounded confounds me, frankly.

I mentioned general public in my post, as well. Am I the only one with a good enough memory to recall the threads/posts that were here six months ago? Daniel Day Lewis was the second coming of Jesus Christ.

[dickface]

So you honestly think that the death of Heath Ledger is the only reason the mass public are more interested in his performance than that of PSH or DDL?

Did you ever think that maybe it's because the mass public is more interested in a movie about Batman than they are about a turn of the century oil tycoon or Truman Capote?


That might have something to do with it. Just a guess.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

I mentioned general public in my post, as well. Am I the only one with a good enough memory to recall the threads/posts that were here six months ago? Daniel Day Lewis was the second coming of Jesus Christ.

You don't go out much do you?

Whether you agree with me or not (that TWBB achieved less mainstream success than Batman) depends heavily on the answer.

Here, TWBB = success.

Not in the real world.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

So you honestly think that the death of Heath Ledger is the only reason the mass public are more interested in his performance than that of PSH or DDL?

Did you ever think that maybe it's because the mass public is more interested in a movie about Batman than they are about a turn of the century oil tycoon or Truman Capote?


That might have something to do with it. Just a guess.

Batman would not be as popular without that death of Ledger. Popular, yea. But, it's out of hand. It's good, but it isn't that good.

[peewee's lovechild]

Maybe he was meant mainstream and financial success, not necessarily awards and crital acclaim.

If that's what he meant, he should've said just that.

But, he didn't say that.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

If that's what he meant, he should've said just that.

But, he didn't say that.

It's pretty much right there in my posts, which is probably why he understood what I meant.

[CuckingFunt]

You don't go out much do you?

Whether you agree with me or not (that TWBB achieved less mainstream success than Batman) depends heavily on the answer.

Here, TWBB = success.

Not in the real world.

I agree that The Dark Knight has achieved more mainstream success than There Will Be Blood.

However, I do not agree that has anything to do with Ledger's death -- Batman = blockbuster, three hours about an oil tycoon in the early 20th century = decidedly not. , even Batman & Robin had a big opening weekend.

Nor do I agree that mainstream success of the film can be directly translated to appreciation of a performance within that film. If everyone who saw it liked the performance, then it has achieved the highest level of appreciation it ever can or will.

[peewee's lovechild]

Batman would not be as popular without that death of Ledger. Popular, yea. But, it's out of hand. It's good, but it isn't that good.

Wrong, once again.

The expectations for this movie began waaaaaaaaaay before Ledger died.

If you didn't notice the countless threads that Red Hood and I made out of every rumor and clue given about the movie here on ST you must've been in a coma.

[peewee's lovechild]

It's pretty much right there in my posts, which is probably why he understood what I meant.

"Pretty much" doesn't amount to much.

Did you mention financial/box office success?

Yes or no will do fine.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

I agree that The Dark Knight has achieved more mainstream success than There Will Be Blood.

However, I do not agree that has anything to do with Ledger's death -- Batman = blockbuster, three hours about an oil tycoon in the early 20th century = decidedly no. , even Batman & Robin had a big opening weekend.

Nor do I agree that mainstream success of the film can be directly translated to appreciation of a performance within that film. If everyone who saw it liked the performance, then it has achieved the highest level of appreciation it ever can or will.

If DDL died, more people would have seen TWBB IMO without question. And, if those people saw it they would have undoubtedly appreciated it.

[leemajors]

I mentioned general public in my post, as well. Am I the only one with a good enough memory to recall the threads/posts that were here six months ago? Daniel Day Lewis was the second coming of Jesus Christ.

General Public?

[Ronaldo McDonald]

"Pretty much" doesn't amount to much.

Did you mention financial/box office success?

Yes or no will do fine.

It's there. Not in those words. But so what? It's implied.

[peewee's lovechild]

If DDL died, more people would have seen TWBB IMO without question. And, if those people saw it they would have undoubtedly appreciated it.

Can you prove that?

There's been several movies where actors have died and it hasn't necessarily = financial success.

Adrienne S y, who directed "Waitress" last year was killed before the movie came out. It was all over the news and Hollywood mourned her death because she was a particularly gifted director.

The movie received great reviews, but it wasn't a financial success.
Not even close.

[monosylab1k]

If DDL died, more people would have seen TWBB IMO without question. And, if those people saw it they would have undoubtedly appreciated it.

Not true because after Chris Farley died, nobody went to go see Almost Heroes. And his work in that film was groundbreaking.

[midgetonadonkey]

Batman was kickass.

[peewee's lovechild]

It's there. Not in those words. But so what? It's implied.

Now you're going with the "implied" argument?

Dude, that's just some weak .

It's not there.
It wasn't written there.

So, that argument holds not water whatsoever.

[midgetonadonkey]

Canadian Bacon wasn't a financial success either.

[peewee's lovechild]

John Candy died prior to the release of "Wagons East".

According to Ronaldo Re o's logic, this movie should've been a critical and financial success!!

[G-Nob]

TDK is a good movie, but its the flavor of the week. (or month)
More movies will come out and everyone will calm down come oscar time. Ledger may get a nod, but thats as far as it goes.

This film's bang to hype ratio with the media and this forum was blown completely out of proportion. Well acted, well written but not best comic book film of all time.

The reinvention of this new series was a complex look at how Batman came about and his "character arc". TDK does a good job of building that arc as well. We all know the Joker is Batman's nemesis. Otherwise batman would just dispose of him quite quickly. Thats why this movie is drawn out. Lessons have to be learned.

And Gyllenhaal was a good pick for this. She fits in well with this cast. AND she is hot. She was smokin hot in Donnie Darko.