Its one and the same. KT was essentially a Spurs agent setting the market value. But everyone knew, do to market characteristics that the most he could be offered realistically was ~4M.
Like I said, by your logic, they Spurs were waiting to see what kind of offers in that area KT got? Lets say the only offer he got was from Miami at 1.9M dollars per year. Do the Spurs still pay him the 8M for 2 years? Or do they just up it a little to say 2.5 per year for 2 years?
That does help. I thought he was implying that we would somehow have more than the MLE next year or something, not that we would be able to use the full MLE and not go over the luxury tax threshold. That could be good news, especially if some of these restricted players only sign the QO.
Who's to say that they didn't say, "our offer is 4.2 million the first year, 3.8 million for a second year." KT didn't immediately sign, in order to see if anyone else would offer him MORE salary. This would be in order for him to go back to the Spurs to say, "I have an offer of 5.58 million." In which case, the Spurs would counter-offer 6.
The point being, you're assuming that it was the Spurs not offering him a contract on the first day of Free Agency that was so risky. There was no risk. The risk being the Spurs may have to pay more than they would like (to the tune of 6 million, rather than the 4.2 million they paid). KT is the one looking for money. I'm sure his agent touched base with a number of teams that KT would consider playing for.
Obviously they could, they did not though. For luxury tax purposes, KT's 4M per year contract would be just as expensive as Turiaf's. So if Turiaf was not worth it, is KT to the Lakers when they have Bynum, Pau and Mihm?
I understand what you are saying. I never said make him an offer on the first day. I said, do the due diligence, determine what you think the market will be for KT, then make an offer. If the Spurs did in fact make KT this offer and he said let me look, then that would defeat what everyone on here said by making an offer first and not letting the market dictate. Because what if the Spurs offered that first and then no one would of made him an offer for more than the BAE? That would tell you that the Spurs F.O. did see a risk and was willing to try and get a deal done as soon as possible. Which is what I said should be the strategy.
Your wrong. The risk was not in the money. The risk was in the fact that if KT did somehow get a full MLE offer that he would be so flattered or like his opportunity so much that he signs that offer and does not give the Spurs a chance to counter. Do you get what I am saying. I do not care about the money, it was the UFA status that was the risk. The Spurs could of payed him more money than anyone, so the money was not the risk.
Mihm.. lol. No, Turiaf > KT
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No, I'm not. I think you like to argue for the sake of argument. Believe that he was a risk to leave to a team for MLE.
Now you are, you're trying to correct my spelling. I made a typo, give it a rest.
How can you so badly mis-interpret what I am saying. I DO NOT THINK HE WAS A RISK TO LEAVE THE TEAM FOR ANY AMOUNT OF MONEY.
Now that we have that cleared up, I was only worried that since he was a UFA and since he was buried on the bench against the Lakers in the WCF that he might not want to play for the Spurs anymore, especially if he could play a nice role on a contender.
That is not arguing for the sake of it. That is my position on the issue that is different from yours. Just because we disagree, does not mean I am argumentative and you are not. By that logic, you just like to argue because you do not see it my way. It is called a discussion.
Exactly. They have depth and if Turiaf is better than KT and they did not match 4M dollar a year offer, what reason is there to think that they would offer KT anything in that ballpark?
Change your story to fit your argument. Whatever. He should've left for 1.9 million because he was disgusted with the Spurs.
Where did I change my story? The whole time in every post, I said the only thing that worried me was his UFA status. Did I say he should of left? No. Did I say the Spurs should offer him 3.5M right now regardless if they already have (which I could not possibly know), or if he has another offer? Yes.
If you can find where I said I was worried about the money I can see what you are saying. But I know I never said that. The only difference now is that you know what point I was arguing from instead of mis-interpreting what I said. It was a mix up on your comprehension, not me changing my story.
This coming from the guy who thought Kurt was going to be a 7-8 million dollar a year guy
So are you trying to set a record for how many times you can post on one page of the same thread?
You were wrong to panic on July 9. Move on.
and still thinks George Hill is gonna get cut.
Please show me anywhere I posted that I THOUGHT HE WOULD GET SIGNED FOR THAT MUCH OR THAT I THOUGHT HILL WOULD GET CUT.
TPark and Aggiefan: Are either of you married or have a girlfriend and if so are they happy? Because if your basketball analysis or reading comprehension is anything like your ing, you couldn't hit the G-Spot on a ten pound pussy.
3 other people jumped on you in the other thread about what you said about Hill. I just stated what can actually happen to someone drafted in the first round. I never said I thought it would, but was giving you a run down of the rules because you said: "there will be no negotiations, he is locked into a salary". Which was wrong, as myself and others pointed out due the 120% -80% rule.
At least you did not use a smilie this time, you are learning my friend!
Never said he would sign for that much, just was going through all the scenarios. I never cared about his money, I was just worried about the UFA status. How many times do we have to do this dance. I already went through and re-posted everything we said in the other thread and proved you wrong so it is irrefutable. I am starting to get your humor though, you make things up about what people said and then use a smilie. It is kind of "artsy" for me, but I get it.This coming from the guy who thought Kurt was going to be a 7-8 million dollar a year guy
So are you trying to set a record for how many times you can post on one page of the same thread?
You were wrong to panic on July 9. Move on.
Some people may find you to be the human equivalent of a saltine cracker though.
This coming from a guy who cried about Mason and Hill and whined and ed about R.C. because wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh we did not get Azubuike.
Got one thanks, and no she's not hollowed out yet like your ho after I got through with her.
Lighten up, you .
Leave it in the Troll forum, son.
C'mon Aggie, you can do better than that! After I hit you with some funny like that you have to come back harder!
Got one thanks, and no she's not hollowed out yet like your ho after I got through with her.
Lighten up, you .
I love SpursTalk. Seriously. I mean, there are some elitist and s on the website, but a good collection of bball discussion. We have stuff in common, we both spend a lot of time on this website.
It is good to have all kinds of people. I have fun and I am not half as serious as you might think. I mean, sometimes you annoy me, as I do you, but all in all I like going back a forth because you hear some good ideas and some funny to boot!
Trying to hang in there with the "big boys" and earn my proverbial stripes!
Someone thinking me and aggie being the best of friends has never been around here after a loss.
I am not a troll. People say much worse stuff than that. It was a joke between Aggie and I (I just threw T-Park in there for the of it), no malice.
In all seriousness, are there certain rules about this stuff? I mean I have seen way worse than this posted. Did I break a rule?
I did not say you were friends, and I just joined a few months ago. I have posted frequently though and I feel that I have fit in.
I have gotten jumped on a few times, but I have had a lot of people like what I say and had some really good discussions with a lot of people. I do not start trash threads, and I also do not trash people who start them.
I just have noticed you are kind of anal and always type "rage much".
Its ok, I am overly sensitive, argumentative and need to grow up! Not afraid to point out my own faults as well...
I however, do not use smilies under any cir stances, that is not dude like.
Well hopefully I will never know, if you get what I am saying.
No you didn't. It's very lenient here, so a few little spills like that are excused, but making it a habit or taking it to another level often gets you suspended or banned.
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