What to do with Manu?

[FromWayDowntown]

yep he can do whatever he wants
he can tell pop I am the boss and do what he wants

You should be pleased -- the Olympics are now filled with overrated and selfish players like Manu and Lebron.

[Darthkiller]

lol manu is overrated?

[Darthkiller]

20 minutes 18 points against spain, while nowhere near 100% .

[tav1]

I agree with some of the logic behind the suggestion to trade Manu now, but I don't think it will happen for a number of reasons, and that's probably for the best. But his style of play, ankle and age makes it a legitmate thought, however improbable.

There are two major things that make trading Manu a deal breaker, and neither is the shortsighted "he's Manu, so it's not even worth talking about" argument.

The first deal breaker is the 2010 plan. Any trade would have to keep the plan in play. The second deal breaker is Manu's value. He's the third best shooting guard on the planet, with tremendous heart and championship know-how. If the Spurs were to trade Manu they'd have to get back an All-Star (with more years left in his career than Manu), a promising, possible future All Star youngster, and a good draft pick or two. And the contracts would have to work. And the incoming players must fit the Spur character profile. And the incoming players would have to make sense in terms of the Spur roster. Bringing back an All Star point, for example, doesn't make any sense at all.

It's an almost impossible scenario.

If you can't that kind of package in return, it's better to extend Manu and cross one's fingers that his body holds up.

Ironically, trading away an elite player is sometimes more of a help for the sending than the receivng franchise. See, 76ers, Philadelphia. But usually, it's just stupid.

I just ran through every roster in the league and couldn't find a trade for Manu that makes sense. The closest I found was something like Manu, Bonner and Oberto to the Bobcats for Richardson, Ajinca, 2009 #1, and a future 2. But even that screws with 2010.

[diego]

And spare me this notion that Manu has shown himself to be a selfish bas by choosing to play in the Olympics. It's clear to me that Manu agonized over that decision and that he took to heart the wishes of his primary employer. I'm sure he understands that there are risks. But I wouldn't ever want to see Manu changing the way that he plays basketball just because there are risks. I don't think you can begrudge him the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to defend a gold medal and to be the face of his nation at the Olympic games. I hope he doesn't get hurt, but I don't think his priorities are out of whack because he decided to take that opportunity.

ive been trying to say this for weeks, but automatically get tagged as an argie homer. the people that are freaking out about manu are cowards afraid of risk, when risk is an integral part of life, and by extension, compe ive sport.

thank you very much for saying it more eloquently than me.

[Manufan909]

Go FMW!!! If Manu can plag back from injury, imagiy the way he did against Spain while cominne him fully charged. They wont know what hit them. The USA team will be clueless, since a team with Kobe, Lebron, and Melo won't know how to pass for .

[rascal]

I agree with some of the logic behind the suggestion to trade Manu now, but I don't think it will happen for a number of reasons, and that's probably for the best. But his style of play, ankle and age makes it a legitmate thought, however improbable.

There are two major things that make trading Manu a deal breaker, and neither is the shortsighted "he's Manu, so it's not even worth talking about" argument.

The first deal breaker is the 2010 plan. Any trade would have to keep the plan in play. The second deal breaker is Manu's value. He's the third best shooting guard on the planet, with tremendous heart and championship know-how. If the Spurs were to trade Manu they'd have to get back an All-Star (with more years left in his career than Manu), a promising, possible future All Star youngster, and a good draft pick or two. And the contracts would have to work. And the incoming players must fit the Spur character profile. And the incoming players would have to make sense in terms of the Spur roster. Bringing back an All Star point, for example, doesn't make any sense at all.

It's an almost impossible scenario.

If you can't that kind of package in return, it's better to extend Manu and cross one's fingers that his body holds up.

Ironically, trading away an elite player is sometimes more of a help for the sending than the receivng franchise. See, 76ers, Philadelphia. But usually, it's just stupid.

So you think that manu is worth an all star and a future promising possible all star and a draft pick or two draft picks? Wow, thats over rating Manu's value.

[tav1]

So you think that manu is worth an all star and a future promising possible all star and a draft pick or two draft picks? Wow, thats over rating Manu's value.

How could he be worth less than that?

[Kori Ellis]

If the Spurs were to trade Manu they'd have to get back an All-Star (with more years left in his career than Manu), a promising, possible future All Star youngster, and a good draft pick or two.

If the Spurs were to trade Duncan, they probably wouldn't even get back an All Star, a potential All Star, plus picks. So, they definitely wouldn't get that for Manu.

Assessing Manu's trade value is hard because most teams would want to play a player of Manu's caliber 35+ mpg. And Manu is at his best when he hovers closer to 27-30mpg. A team would also have to accept that he'll miss about 10 games a season, plus be quite banged up for many more - it's just his style of play. However, Manu has so many intangibles and is so damn efficient, that he makes up for all that.

I believe Manu will retire a Spur. I think the Spurs will look at him next summer and figure it out. My guess is that he'll get a 3-year deal for about 25M-30M.

[Kori Ellis]

How could he be worth less than that?

Because he's not even an All Star every season. So why would you think you would get a younger All Star, a potential All Star and picks for him?

[tav1]

Because he's not even an All Star every season. So why would you think you would get a younger All Star, a potential All Star and picks for him?

To quote Pop, "because he's Manu Ginobli." I responded to myself above and suggested Jason Richardson, Alexis Ajinca and 2009 #1 as something approaching the ball park of his value. Or maybe Deng and Ty Thomas.

I'll go back and edit my first post, because I did put it a bit too strongly. The point is, it's almost impossible to envision a trade that brings back fair value and might be worth it for the other team.

[tav1]

So you think that manu is worth an all star and a future promising possible all star and a draft pick or two draft picks? Wow, thats over rating Manu's value.

Alright, I tone downed my original post just a bit. Still, how do you get value for Ginobli? Opportunities are few and far between.

[timaios]

I believe Manu will retire a Spur. I think the Spurs will look at him next summer and figure it out. My guess is that he'll get a 3-year deal for about 25M-30M.

You are very optimistic.
I think he'll get something between 12-14 mil/year.
He deserve it.

[Kori Ellis]

You are very optimistic.
I think he'll get something between 12-14 mil/year.
He deserve it.

If he gets 3 years/$40M, I don't mind. I just think the Spurs will try to get him for lower.

[Brutalis]

The most we could ever get for Manureankles would probably be a role player for the bench and a future first, or a couple seconds instead of the first.

[temujin]

In the worst game of his entire career, Mr Ginobili went 0-8 and scored only 3 points.

3 miserable FTs.

In the last 60'' of play.

His team WON by 3 miserable points.

Game 3, NBA Finals 07.

Some people just have it.

Come back with the trade thread AFTER he retires.

[Spurblood]

Just ship his ass out for some young talented guys and draft picks from a lottery team

[ArgSpursFan.]

Just ship his ass out for some young talented guys and draft picks from a lottery team

Yeahhh!!!
let's trade manu for Tmac and make the Rockets le contenders while we're at it.......................right??

[ArgSpursFan.]

I say Cuban Would throw anyone besides Dirk in order to get Manu.
I say: Josh Howard and draft picks for Manu is a deal that Cuban would do in a ing heartbeat.

[smeagol]

coaches must not thought he was worthy
I guess they know nothing compared to the smeagol

oh I guess that proves you are the stupid one

He made the NBA's 3rd team.

The coaches made a mistake, you dumb .

Who's the stupid one, again?

[ducks]

He made the NBA's 3rd team.

The coaches made a mistake, you dumb .

Who's the stupid one, again?

yep that is why they make more money then you

[pad300]

I believe Manu will retire a Spur. I think the Spurs will look at him next summer and figure it out. My guess is that he'll get a 3-year deal for about 25M-30M.

You are very optimistic.
I think he'll get something between 12-14 mil/year.
He deserve it.

If he gets 3 years/$40M, I don't mind. I just think the Spurs will try to get him for lower.

I sincerely hope you people are NUTS. The spurs would be making an error if they went above 10M, 9M, 8M ($/year, consecutive - Total 27M). They should probably try just over the MLE (I'd try and keep it under 8M/year)...I personally would be exceedingly wary of giving an aging player of Manu's injury history the big bucks. Especially if we want to try and wring another le from the last bit of Duncan's career.

[Marcus Bryant]

I sincerely hope you people are NUTS. The spurs would be making an error if they went above 10M, 9M, 8M ($/year, consecutive - Total 27M). They should probably try just over the MLE (I'd try and keep it under 8M/year)...I personally would be exceedingly wary of giving an aging player of Manu's injury history the big bucks. Especially if we want to try and wring another le from the last bit of Duncan's career.

Who will they be saving the money for then?

[Kori Ellis]

I sincerely hope you people are NUTS. The spurs would be making an error if they went above 10M, 9M, 8M ($/year, consecutive - Total 27M). They should probably try just over the MLE (I'd try and keep it under 8M/year)...I personally would be exceedingly wary of giving an aging player of Manu's injury history the big bucks. Especially if we want to try and wring another le from the last bit of Duncan's career.

Why did you call me nuts when I said the Spurs would probably try to get him for $25-30M? Isn't that pretty much what you are saying ($24-27M)?

I just said I don't mind if he gets 3 years/$40M because I think he's been relatively underpaid on his current contract. It's not my money, so I don't care if the Spurs pay him $40M - I just don't think they will.

[DPG21920]

It is a dicey situation because of Manu's style of play and inability to play 35+ minutes a night, but he is coming off his best season and is a pure winner. His good far outweighs his bad and you do not trade winners unless it is a homerun, which is almost impossible.