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4. Worry about it in 2009.
And 2 will never happen, Manu will retire a Spur.
Props though, first lame thread of the day.
With the Manu's being a free agent in 2010, what should the Spurs do?
The options as I see it are the following:
1. Sign him to a new 3 year deal for around $10m. (This retains the status quo and but does it give the Spurs the best chance of being successful after 2010? I don't believe it does as Manu's style means that his body is likely to breakdown sooner rather than later and I don't think he can change his style to a less frenetic version without reducing his value to the Spurs.)
2. Trade him now for quality youth like some of the restricted free agents like Deng, Gordon, Okafor, Iggy, Josh Smith, etc. who are thinking of signing qualifying offers and being unrestricted free agents next year. (Problem is that this likely reduces the Spurs chances of being effective this year as it will take at least half a season for any of these players to integrate with the Spurs)
3. Keep Manu for this season, see if he comes back okay from the Olympics and then make a decision on his future at the end of this season.
My view is that the best possible value the Spurs can get is Option 2. If the Spurs can get such a deal done, they can potentially look at being successful now and after Duncan retires in 3-4 years time as Parker will still hopefully be around to carry the franchise.
I know that lots of the people on this site are fervent Manu supports but looking at it purely from a Spurs perspective, I would be very surprised if the Spurs FO is not looking at exploring these options.
Thoughts?
4. Worry about it in 2009.
And 2 will never happen, Manu will retire a Spur.
Props though, first lame thread of the day.
Why is the topic lame? Is it impossible to talk about Manu being traded? He has been brilliant in winning 2 of the Spurs 4 championships. He is also likely one of the major reasons why the Spurs have not repeated the last two opportunities they have had.
He is a major injury risk going to the Olympics and if he comes back with an injury do we simply say that due to all things he has done for the Spurs, they should pay him for the next 4 years irrespective of his expected performance.
The Spurs are a business and outside of Duncan, no one is immune to being traded if that makes the Spurs better.
So next time, instead of comments like "lame" or "never happen", try to at least formulate a sensible response.
not impossible, but a waste of everyone's time. He won't be traded.
he might opt to go back to Europe to make real $ but that's in a few years.
He's got to be performing at his current level for me to feel comfortable with the Spurs paying him over 10 mil a year in his next contract.
But yeah, no way he gets traded.
Calling it lame is perfectly sensible, given the propensity of rookie posters over the last couple of days to propose trades and signings that make little sense.
Manu will never be traded. Yes, it's a business, which is exactly why he won't be. San Antonio has a Spanish speaking Spurs star to call its own.
Some guys are just destined to retire Spurs. David Robinson. Tim Duncan. Manu is another one of those.
And for all the reasons you mentioned (coming up on the tail end of his career, injury prone), no team in the league will give up any of those guys you mentioned for him.
If the Spurs front office traded him now, none of those guys would be an upgrade or have the potential to even match Manu's skill level or clutchness.
Not to mention the fact that the citizens of SA would burn down the at&t center and lynch everyone in the Spurs front office if it happened.
Many league observers called Manu one of the top 3 or so shooting guards in the league this past season, and you want to trade him for a dime a dozen swing man.
Hence, lame thread.
He may be traded at some later point in his career; it's not inconceivable since we also traded George Gervin and James Silas who's #s hang in our rafters.
However, it will not happen this year or next. "Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof" the Good Book says.
(Bet you didn't realize the Bible can double as a GM's handbook.)
I really wouldn't be surprised with this knowing how much money and offers some of these Euro teams are giving these players. Also Manu has pretty much accomplished all he can in the NBA so why not go somewhere where there are fewer games and get crazy pay.he might opt to go back to Europe to make real $ but that's in a few years.
Looking at trading Manu later in his career simply means the Spurs won't get value for him.
Why I mentioned the possibility of trading for one of the restricted free agents is simple, if any of those guys make it clear they will sign for the qualifying offer, their club loses significant bargaining power. It them becomes a matter of getting some value not equal value. Manu might be older, but he is equal value or maybe better talent now.
Deng in the last couple of days has set Chicago a deadline of two weeks to come to a contract agreement or he is threatening to sign the qualifying offer. If he is an option, you do it. Deng entering his prime is a better deal for the next 5 years than Manu who will be/is declining as is Okafor, and possibly Iggy.
Yes, Manu is a clutch player, has and is a Spurs hero, but if the spurs keep on winning without him, the fanbase will quickly come through.
With the Euro option, the Spurs get nothing in return. If the Spurs don't sign him to an extension during the coming season, what's to stop him going back to Europe and earning $10m tax free with less games and becoming the undisputed marque player for whichever club he plays for.
If the Spurs do sign him, what are the odds on him turning into Finley2 in a couple of years, only this time, the Spurs are paying him big bucks to stay on the roster.
What I should have said at the outset is that this is not meant to bash Manu as he has been an incredible part of the Spurs success, however, being overly sentimental about Manu's future, could put the club into serious downward spiral with very limited options for recovery.
It's great that some of those guys are pouting and wanting big deals.
But really, what part of Manu won't be traded for anything less than a franchise level swing man don't you understand (and none of those guys are franchise level swing men)?
Deng can't fill the role that Manu has for this team, never will. He is a good player, but he's not a top 5 swing man, he won't be in his prime, and again, you're talking about the fan base who blew a gasket over Manu getting handed AJ's jersey number when he first came here.
The Spurs will never trade their prodigal Spanish speaking son for a guy who has never played south of the Mason Dixon line, at least none of those you mentioned. And none of them are guys you can put the ball in the hands of with the game on the line and expect to win it for you.
And further, if that's all not enough, remember that the Spurs want to have cap room in 2010. If they take on one of these guys now (all of whom are angling for max deals), they kill that idea.
And again, none of the aforementioned RFAs are worth the max. Damn, Manu's not even getting the max and he is better than any of these guys, yet you want us take one of them on for the max.
Maybe you can trade Duncan for Okafor while you're at it, at some point he's not going to be playing as good either. Better get value for Tim now while we still can.
Also Manu has pretty much accomplished all he can in Europe; and he doesn't want to go back to Arg
Duncan is the franchise. Manu is not. When you get that through you head then maybe you can understand the argument.
As for Manu not being traded for a franchise level swing man, who is out there that can be gotten, Kobe, Lebron? Manu is not in those guys league, irrespective of what you may want to believe. So go for Tmac (injury prone), Pierce (saviour for Boston and the guy who brought them their first le in 17 years)? Who is this mythical franchise level swing man who is available for Manu?
The Spurs want cap room in 2010 because the free agent class is high quality and it may offer the Spurs the opportunity to pick up a player who can extend the franchise success after that point in time. However, Lebron, Wade, Bosh, etc. is unlikely to have San Antonio at the top of their list. Why not pick up that player a year earlier if the opportunity presents itself?
For the last time man, MANU WOULD BE THE SPURS TOP PRIORITY. theyd resign him fast then look at other free agents
But why would Manu be the top priority for 2010 onwards? Do you believe he will still be able to deliver at his top potential to 2013?
Manu is not only a superior player, his exciting performance on court puts butts in the seats. And he's Hispanic. He has a commercial value to the Spurs way beyond the actual stats of his play.
Who else in this league can do that? The list is very short and none of them are likely to be tradeable, certainly not to the Spurs.
The Spurs won't trade his combination of assets until they are exhausted by time or injury.
While no one can dispute that Manu has an exciting style of play, does the fact that he is Hispanic have a major commercial impact on the Spurs. I just think that if that was the case, the Rockets and Mavericks would have made greater attempts at getting high profile Hispanic players on their team.
I am not saying this isnt a valid reason and it a comparable position is what Bird is doing in Indiana in terms of team composition. It may not be the most talented group he is putting together but it is an attempt to get the fan base back onside. I just don't know whether the Hispanic angle weights that heavily on the Spurs minds.
signing manu for 10 million is not going to happen
manu makes about 10 million alone this yaer
aggiehoopsfan
manu could be traded just not yet
3-4 years.
rember this front office would let david robinson go to the knicks
You think the Spurs could possibly land Kobe or Lebron? What the are you smoking? I'd never be ok with a Kobe deal, but losing TP, Bowen, Mason/Fab, Bonner/, for Lebron+ scrubs would be quite nice. I don't want to see any of the big three leave, but if I had to choose, TP would be the bait. He's just a ing ballhog anyways. He's getting better, but I don't think 7 assists a game would be too much to ask. , he gets all the shots he wants already, he needs to share the love more.
And I predict that within the hour, duck will sense my blasphemy and make a post of his own to counter.
EDIT: Within five minutes.
Apologies, just to clarify, I meant 10 million per year not 10 million for 3 years. I don't think anyone thinks that Manu will get less than around $10m/year.
All I know is manu's ankle better be 100% at the start of the NBA season
1) Ginobili's future is in his own hands (and ankle).
(i) He really liked it in Europe and someone has already mentioned that he might well come back. Apparently, money is not an issue these days for -several- European teams.
(ii) He has a contract with the Spurs.
(iii) If -or WHEN- he makes it clear to everyone that he WON'T play for any NBA team BUT the Spurs, and rather come back, he is essentially untradeable and he has no market value whatsoever.
2) We are eager to learn about your predictions as to the Spurs #1 pick of 2030.
He should be born these very same days.
Think about it and let us know ASAP!
Go back to Europe, it's the best option for Manu and Spurs.For Manu will be useless for them then.
There isn't one. That's the point. And Manu's not going anywhere.As for Manu not being traded for a franchise level swing man, who is out there that can be gotten, Kobe, Lebron? Manu is not in those guys league, irrespective of what you may want to believe. So go for Tmac (injury prone), Pierce (saviour for Boston and the guy who brought them their first le in 17 years)? Who is this mythical franchise level swing man who is available for Manu?
I don't see us signing Manu for 10 mil a year at that point in his career...
And ducks, Manu is as tradable as Tony is.
Remember when word got out about DRob possibly leaving the citizens of SA rang the phones at Holt Cat off the hook until they relented and re-signed him.
The same would happen with Manu.
Agree with you. Trading manu now would be the best option. But that will not happen. And if the Spanish speaking part is so important just fill the entire team with Spanish speaking players. That should fill the seats although the team won't win much.
Manu will end up being the weight that takes this franchise down and closes the window in Duncan's last years.
They will be paying Manu like he is an allstar but getting a player often injured and with declining skills. Manu has about a two year window then a sharp decline so move him now while he has value. He already is a player who can't play big minutes for fear of braking down unlike most of the other top nba players .
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