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Old McFlop, befuddled simpleton extraordinaire, thinks the lack of violence is simply, exclusively due to the surge.
Shortly before he passed away in April 2008 Gen. William Odom, former Director of the NSA under President Ronald Reagan, wrote,....
Link"Turning to the apparent success in Anbar province and a few other Sunni areas, this is not the positive situation it is purported to be. Certainly violence has declined as local Sunni shieks have begun to cooperate with US forces. But the surge tactic cannot be given full credit. The decline started earlier on Sunni initiative. What are their motives? First, anger at al Qaeda operatives and second, their financial plight.
Their break with al Qaeda should give us little comfort. The Sunnis welcomed anyone who would help them kill Americans, including al Qaeda. The concern we hear the president and his aides express about a residual base left for al Qaeda if we withdraw is utter nonsense. The Sunnis will soon destroy al Qaeda if we leave Iraq."
"As an aside, it gives me pause to learn that our vice president and some members of the Senate are aligned with al Qaeda on spreading the war to Iran."
"Thus the decline in violence reflects a dispersion of power to dozens of local strong men who distrust the government and occasionally fight among themselves. Thus the basic military situation is far worse because of the proliferation of armed groups under local military chiefs who follow a proliferating number of political bosses.
This can hardly be called greater military stability, much less progress toward political consolidation, and to call it fragility that needs more time to become success is to ignore its implications."
"The only sensible strategy is to withdraw rapidly but in good order. Only that step can break the paralysis now gripping US strategy in the region. The next step is to choose a new aim, regional stability, not a meaningless victory in Iraq. And progress toward that goal requires revising our policy toward Iran. If the president merely renounced his threat of regime change by force, that could prompt Iran to lessen its support to Taliban groups in Afghanistan. Iran detests the Taliban and supports them only because they will kill more Americans in Afghanistan as retaliation in event of a US attack on Iran. Iran’s policy toward Iraq would also have to change radically as we withdraw. It cannot want instability there. Iraqi Shiites are Arabs, and they know that Persians look down on them. Cooperation between them has its limits.
No quick reconciliation between the US and Iran is likely, but US steps to make Iran feel more secure make it far more conceivable than a policy calculated to increase its insecurity. The president’s policy has reinforced Iran’s determination to acquire nuclear weapons, the very thing he purports to be trying to prevent.
Withdrawal from Iraq does not mean withdrawal from the region. It must include a realignment and reassertion of US forces and diplomacy that give us a better chance to achieve our aim.
A number of reasons are given for not withdrawing soon and completely. I have refuted them repeatedly before but they have more lives than a cat. Let try again me explain why they don’t make sense..."
Old McFlop, befuddled simpleton extraordinaire, thinks the lack of violence is simply, exclusively due to the surge.
It's politically convenient just like his spin that Dubya's signing statement allowing offshore drilling is the cause for a slip in the PPB of oil....anyone with any horse sense knows that it was the slip in U.S. consumer confidence and the U.S. slipping into a deeper recession with sharp job cuts....
K, so since we won we can withdrawl now, right?
seems like that's what the Iraqi people are asking for, so I would say absolutely.
Good enough for me as long as they go back and finish Afghanistan.
Your an idiot if you think there isn't terra-ism in Pakistan....
Compared to where, Afghanistan? The occupied territories? I think not....
There are more terrorists in Pakistan than anywhere else...that is where the most Radical Islamacists are being produced, that is where the most devout ones are being producedm that is where the most radical Mullah's are. And when you take that into account it's a walk in the park relatively speaking.
That Musharraf hasn't been assasinated yet is incredible....and what does he have going for him? A military and police force that beat the living out of the radicals, including their leaders...so it does work.
You don't understand how unpopular these leaders are...the SaudieFamily, Mubarek, Musharraf...uh uh...they keep a cap on their terrorists extremely effectively. Those fundamentalists want those guys out of power big freaking time...but they can't do anything about it because those guys will have them exterminated...the Syrian guy too.
Instead they go and do it in Afghanistan and Iraq...where things are 10 times more watched and locked down...
The difference? They know the US won't exterminate them........I don't mean the terrorists...I mean the middle men Mullah's. The ones who don't blow themselves up...that just send others to do it. They also know the leaders of their countries aren't going to exterminate them as long as their attacks are aimed at the US and Israel...the threats to the leaders despotic rule.
Last edited by whottt; 07-24-2008 at 03:20 AM.
Trust me...they know what an eye for an eye means, they know that very well as it is a creed they live by....the nuke threat would work. It won't work with Obama in the whitehouse...but it would with just about anyone else. Unfortunately the only two guys that would actually make that threat, Clark and Guilianni, couldn't get the nominations.
US Army: Iran won the war.
https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-...r-future-wars/
http://publications.armywarcollege.edu/
USA paid $Ts for Iran to win, and that bill will keep running up for decades, America is LESS safe,
we have American war criminals retired in luxury,
Ms of USA soldiers, non-combattants, dead, injured in body and/or mind, and
20+ military suicides PER DAY.
And then there is the destruction of Iraq, and Ms of M/E refugees flooding into Europe, with Europeans reacting by electing authoritarian govts.
America is such a hole of a BigCorp Empire.
18 years later, we're still there.
Invading Iraq was a crime of world historical dimensions that Iraq is still paying the price for.
dubya, head, and the rest of their war criminal gang are wealthily retired or otherwise paying no price for their crimes against humanity.
another mess created by the republicans
There was more continuity than change when Obama took over.
More winning on the way.
US soldiers are still dying in Iraq
what for?
https://apnews.com/article/us-soldie...31508d7eebec47Before Monday’s announcement, a total of 4,419 troops had died in Iraq since the beginning of the 2003 Operation Iraqi Freedom military campaign, including 3,482 combat deaths and 937 non-combat deaths, according to the latest Defense Department data. A total of 31,993 troops were wounded in action in Iraq.
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