yeah, new york, boston, chicago, and la fans dont give a crap. try asking a royals, pirates, or marlins fan how he feels about the whole thing. thank god for the rays this year, i hope they can actually make a legit run. because ownership is going to start selling off pieces next year just like the marlins do after they make a push. its more cost effective to have low cost team that loses, than have a high cost team that wins in the smaller markets.
and for the record, how did the knicks, mavs, nuggests, suns, boston, and cavs get over the cap in the first place? they didnt cherry pick the best young talents off of smaller market teams by simply throwing more money than anyone else could match (which is what happens in mlb). they traded shorter contracts for contracts that lasted longer, thereby pushing the salary burden further down the road, combined with using bird rights to give very large salaries to the players already on their roster.
and look what great things it did for everyone aside from boston: they pulled out two all-stars thanks to a top 5 lotter pick and al jefferson, and then were able to pull some solid veteran help thanks to the appeal of playing with garrent & co. the knicks havent been relevant in years. the mavs actually got to the finals after cost cutting moves (letting nash walk, cutting ties with finley), but choked that away. the nuggets are first round fodder and in tax . the suns havent done squat. and the cavs are simple one man, surrounded by expensive, sub-par talent. so its not like thats even working all that well.
You could make that argument in baseball as well, only one team gets to win a world series, so all other teams that spend out the ass are big losers..One could argue it is better for the league to have big markets being able to buy up all the talent and winning. I do not mind the cap, just saying an argument could be made against it...
Bonner should not be getting paid that much. I would rather have Barry get paid that much and Bonner get paid what Barry is making...
Another question: If a team is over the cap, they can spend the MLE correct... So what if a team is under the cap, but only by one million dollars (or less than the MLE), what do they get to spend?
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#20
larry coon has all the answers you seek...
They can still use MLE if they are under the cap by an amount less than the MLE is my understanding.
Awesome post. I say use the LLE on Barnes or someone like Barry.
Thanks for the link
The point of the cap is to level the playing field. Even though you have exceptions, the fact that everyone has the same exceptions keeps it level. Without that, the Knicks, Lakers, and Celtics would likely be far and away the biggest spenders and buy every all-star who hit free agency.
Granted, that might help the league as a whole in terms of ratings and advertising dollars, but it doesn't do much for building smaller market fan base.
The luxory tax is more about helping the teams in smaller markets survive.
I actually hate soft caps. I'd rather have a hard cap, but a soft cap is better than nothing when your in a small/poor market.
Ok...I'm still picturing RC as DPG......I'm still laughing.
I should stick to lower alcohol beverages I suppose.
Bumping this up since we got Mason.
If I was R.C. you better bet your ass that I am signing Ed Helicopter Jones to a contract...Ok...I'm still picturing RC as DPG......I'm still laughing.
I should stick to lower alcohol beverages I suppose.
I am R.C. and I am just searching for the brightest basketball minds. I am quizzing those who dare answer and I hear SpursTalk is where the people with the basketball a en reside.
What was the amount of Barry's salary this year (that he opted out of)?
Bumping this up since we signed Thomas.
Have to know the amount Thomas signed for before updating anything.
I know.
Roger Mason hasn't been added yet though.
July 23 Update
Tim Duncan -- $20,598,704
Tony Parker -- $11,550,000
Manu Ginobili -- $9,905,248
Kurt Thomas -- $4,200,000
Bruce Bowen -- $4,000,000
Roger Mason, Jr. -- $3,700,000
Fabricio Oberto -- $3,167,420
Matt Bonner -- $2,978,000
Jacque Vaughn -- $1,262,275
Ime Udoka -- $1,080,000
George Hill -- $1,006,200
Ian Mahinmi -- $841,000
TOTAL -- $64,288,847
All of the above numbers are verified other than Mason and Hill. Mason's contract has been reported as $7.3M, $7.4M and $7.5M over two years, so I figured giving him a 2008 salary of $3.7M is fair. It might be a little high or a little low (especially if the Spurs front loaded it like they did with Thomas), but it should be accurate enough. Hill could make as much as the amount listed above or as little as $670,000.
Outside of those 12 players, it appears as if the most likely outcome has the Spurs signing two rookies and a veteran. The two rookies will likely be Anthony Tolliver and James Gist, with Malik Hairston also being a possibility. The veteran could be a number of players but from what I've heard, Michael Finley is all but a lock to take that place.
Here's what the roster will look like assuming Tolliver and Gist are added:
Tim Duncan -- $20,598,704
Tony Parker -- $11,550,000
Manu Ginobili -- $9,905,248
Kurt Thomas -- $4,200,000
Bruce Bowen -- $4,000,000
Roger Mason, Jr. -- $3,700,000
Fabricio Oberto -- $3,167,420
Matt Bonner -- $2,978,000
Jacque Vaughn -- $1,262,275
Ime Udoka -- $1,080,000
George Hill -- $1,006,200
Ian Mahinmi -- $841,000
Anthony Tolliver -- $797,581
James Gist -- $797,581
TOTAL -- $65,884,009
(Although Tolliver and Gist would only make $442,114, their contracts will count $797,581 against the Luxury Tax Threshold.)
With the Luxury Tax Threshold at $71,150,000 for the upcoming season, in the above scenario the Spurs are $5,265,991 below the threshold. The Spurs literally couldn't surpass the threshold even if they wanted to, unless they wanted to give Michael Finley an outrageous contract.
With Thomas signing for less than expected, the Spurs are in very good shape financially. If they want to, they have plenty of room to use their LLE, their remaining money of the MLE or their trade exception. Each of those options is currently worth between $1.7M and $1.9M.
In fact, the Spurs could hypothetically use their LLE, the rest of the MLE and their trade exception and still land beneath the Luxury Tax Threshold.
What's next? The Spurs could keep shopping using their available avenues or simply sign Finley and their rookies and call it an offseason.
The salary spent on this thread?
$000,000,000.00
Thanks for the salary update.
P.S. I'm a little offended that my 2-3 posts previously bumping this thread were deleted. Can I get a PM with the reason for that?
According to realgm, Mason salary is $3.5M.
storytellers and patricia bender dont have salary info for mason listed yet. shams has it at 3.5 mil next year, 3.78 mil the year after.
I think they just caught in with a few other posts that were inappropriate. There was nothing wrong with your posts.
Interesting. Nice find
So the Spurs still have a tad bit more than $2M of the MLE to play with.
Tim Duncan $20,598,704
Tony Parker $11,550,000
Manu Ginobili $9,905,248
Bruce Bowen $4,000,000
Fabricio Oberto $3,167,420
Matt Bonner $2,978,000
Jacque Vaughn $1,262,275
Ime Udoka $1,080,000
Ian Mahinmi $841,000
Kurt Thomas $4,200,000
Roger Mason $3,800,000
George Hill $1,006,200
James Gist $442,114
Anthony Tolliver $442,114
14 players total of: $65,273,075
Threshold $71,150,000
Balance $5,876,925
Shall we spend it on Finley or do we get someone else?
Get someone else.
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