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Oh man, ducks has someone new to hate on. He said Manu is good.
Talent Wise, you're probably right.
Combine Talent + Championships + Competetiveness, I don't see how you can argue that he isn't top 3 foreign players in the NBA today. Top 3 in history? Probably not.
Oh man, ducks has someone new to hate on. He said Manu is good.
Get back to me when any of them have won a ring. All three are probably more talented. Talent alone doesn't make them better players though.
Dirk - Chokes.
Nash - Going downhill fast. Too much of a liability on D.
Yao - Not enough stamina and much more injury prone than Manu.
OMG this just in!!!
"I like to eat so I don't starve to death" - Paul Pierce
No wayyyyyy
lebron did say pierce had the 2nd best foot work in the league. i still think pierce is underrated by many.
Name one other foreign player, current or past, who has won multiple NBA championships, won gold in the Olympics, numerous MVP's and accolades.
All with a combined ZERO NBA, Olympic, or Euro championships between them. Manu is the King!
i think Pierce has played against the best intl players on the league to have a more than respectable point of view. i take his word as valid
Pierce is a very good player, no question. And maybe some guys have to talk like that and keep up the swagger, for their own benefit. But if he really is the best player in the league, Boston would have been a of a lot more compe ive (in the freakin' East, for Pete's sake) for the past several years. Or did his ascendency to the throne have something to do with the arrival of Kevin Garnett and, to a lesser degree, Ray Allen? I still say that you could have put Tim Duncan on the Knicks or Raptors and they would have made the second round of the playoffs consistently.
Dirk and Nash are both great players. But they were even on the same team, and they couldn't get it done. And don't give me any excuse about supporting cast, because Cuban wasn't shy about spending. They had every opportunity. And don't forget that Manu Ginobili had a lot to do with sinking that ship year after year. Manu has done one thing, at every level, that sets him apart from those two - win.
Don't even bring Yao into this. He makes even Shaq look small when they are standing together. He's got a great shooting stroke for a big man. He's a good player. But he has done nothing, absolutely nothing to merit being in the running with Ginobili, or Nash and Nowitzki. Maybe it's the fault of the coaches and their systems for not taking full advantage of his abilities. (You can't deny that it could have something to do with the fact that he looks like Herman Munster running the court.) But that's like saying that that Dwight Howard is one of the greatest centers in the history of the game. He has a lot of talent and promise. But it's customary to wait until a player has actually done something before building any shrines.
Maybe you're thinking about All-Star balloting. But if the votes of a billion Chinese decided anything, we'd all eat more rice.
Championships are a team accomplishment. There's no denying that Manu is more clutch than the other three listed (because's he's more clutch than 95% of the rest of the league). There's also no denying that Manu's teammates both in the NBA and the Olympics blows away anything that Yao, Dirk, and Nash could possibly have had to work with.
How many NBA MVP awards does Manu have? Less than Dirk and Nash. I will admit there might be room for debate on Yao because his durability has hampered him so much in the last couple of seasons, but it's not like Manu is an Iron Man either. He's played hurt as much as anyone in the league and it hasn't always been pretty.
I'm not trying to on Manu, but seriously guys, Jamstone's right on this one.
RIGHT ON!!! All Hail to James Gist
Damn we need to sign this boy
Come on, Dirk let one guy beat his team in the Finals, after getting up 2-0. All he could come up with as a response was to hide behind Cuban's skirt and about officiating.
Is this Pierce's way of saying?
Further proof ducks that Manu > Tony.
Even NBA players admit it.
Was Dirk primarily guarding Wade? The Mavs choked as a team. I already said Manu is more clutch, but seriously, if the entire NBA redrafted rosters tomorrow, how many guys would have Manu ahead of Nash, Dirk, and Yao on their boards?
Manu is the best overseas player..... that guy playing hard all day all night, giving his all. He also stay humble and keep his head cool all the time,especially off court. That qualities make him a champion. All players who follow that can considered themselves among the best.
If you considered numbers and performance as a measurement for best player: I think Kobe still the best player with James tailing him.....
This best player thing is so subjective, hehehe
Maybe you didn't get the message yesterday. Anyone who continues the Manu > Tony trash is going on 48 hour to 1 week ban. That goes for ducks, AHF, you, whoever...
For being herman munster, yao has made tim duncan look like david robinson circa 1995, various times. But I agree with pierce manu is one the best in the history of the Nba. Olajuwon and manu! too bad, that because of politics, the nba fans were robbed of watching Arvydas.
Best current foreign player in the NBA? -- Maby Manu. Is Manu the best current foreign player on the Spurs?
Best in the history of the NBA? Hakeem Olajuwon. Manu is not close.
I love when ppl jump to conclusions when they hear the word "best". Could be that Pierce was talking about "best" as in more accomplished, more exciting, more compe ive, more hard-working foreign player ever?
then he is right on.
if he was talking about plain talent. He is way off.
there will be pages of discussion but noone will prove that Pierce was right or wrong.
No I didn't. But anyhoo any time Ducks posts about Manu I follow him and just to tick HIM off nobody else I will go Manu > Tony. So I dont' really mean it when I say Manu > Tony. That's my explantion. Sorry/whatever.
tony lover?
I can't decide who is more delusional; Lakerfan or Mavfan.
Your asking for it.
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