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this is what u wrote genius
fact is Duncan took a pay cut to make Spurs better. nothing u can do to deny that. So we Spur fans do value that. nothing u can do to change that.
it how can we grab Stephen Jackson from the Warriors??? They're overloading that position in Goldenstate. Someone call up Mullin and tell him they need bigs who can shoot and rebound. Matt Bonner is one of those bigs.
this is what u wrote genius
fact is Duncan took a pay cut to make Spurs better. nothing u can do to deny that. So we Spur fans do value that. nothing u can do to change that.
I agree. But what players in his position have done the same (I'm not being sarcastic, I just wanna know)?
I got nothin to say.... peace
even Arenas took a paycut.......its not that noble.
At making that much money and still could have gotten more?
Kevin Garnett and Shaquille O'Neal of recent years.
Shaq was set to make $30 million a year--and wanted to make at least $25 million a year--when he re-upped with Miami for $20 million a year. However, he only wanted to play four more years. So, Miami spread out what would have been a $100 million contract over 4 years into a a $100 million over 5 years. Rumors were that the fifth year was just to allow Shaq to get that $100 million number and he wouldn't play that fifth year. Technically, it wasn't a paycut except subsequently when he was traded to Phoenix, he assured the Suns and the fans that he would play out his contract.
KG restructured his contract in Minnesota when it was still allowed under the CBA at the time. And, his last extension, he also took a big paycut as well. From raw numbers, it looks like he'll be taking about a $30 million paycut over three years of that extension.
And so did Baron Davis, come to think of it...
The amount of money TD does or doesn't make is unrelated to his "loyalty" to the team.
His loyalty can be seen in his action on and off the court and his willingness to do WHATEVER is best for the team and to win. He is the most accomplished player in the NBA today bar none, yet sacrifices his ego for the sake of the team. He's never said anything negative about the team, coach or team mates. How many "superstars" can say they have done the same?
Agree with that. But there are plenty of fans that use Tim's "paycut" as a measure and display of his loyalty and how he is on another level of selflessness and honor than other NBA players. That's what irrrks me.
So after his paycut and display of loyalty, where does he stand?
I think Tim Duncan is the greatest power forward to ever play the game, and from what I've read about him and seen, he appears to be a great person as well. None of that has anything to do with his "paycut."
I have nothing but respect for Tim Duncan, his game, and the little I know of him as a person.
What gets me is when some Spurs fans deify Tim Duncan to the point where everything about him is another step to sainthood. I understand being a fan, but there is a limit.
By the end of his current contract, Tim Duncan will have made well over $200 million in his career. This $11 million paycut people want to laud and applaud still nets Duncan $40 million over 2 years. But, many times this summer I've read Spurs fans talk about how this so-and-so NBA player is all about getting paid or that such-and-such NBA player has no loyalty or honor, "not like Tim Duncan or Bruce Bowen..." It just gets me every time. Tim Duncan is one of the most well paid athletes in the world, forget just the NBA. His little "paycut" gesture is nice and all, but it simply doesn't make him a loyal angel that no other NBA player can match.
Where does Tim Duncan stand after his paycut and display of loyalty? Where he's always stood. It doesn't change. Legendary player. From all indications, great person. To me, the paycut doesn't change it either way for the better or for the worse. Let me make $200 million, and I'll give back some too.
Nope.
Jamstone is fired up about this thread.
Arenas took $11 million less over 6 years.
Duncan took $11 million less over two years.
Big difference.
And did you notice the way such a big deal was made out of his, and the way he talked it up.
Anyway, i agree with JamStone to a point, Duncan shows his loyalty more so on the court but what he did with his contract should be commended. Doesnt have to have his sucked by all of San Antonio, but it should be commended.
Dude took a large pay cut. Get over it. By the time Duncan is in his 3rd year making that 20 mil you know LeBron and probably Wade will be getting 30. You wanna preach and all you want but the fact remains even better than Shaq, he took a large pay cut. Another squad would have dealt 30. Geeeeet overrrr eeeeeet.
Actually, it does. No other player would do that. Nor has done that. Or will ever do that.
Never knew 11 mil was little either.
damn, mr. duncan.
fair.
I have to agree with Jamstone. The paycut was a nice move on his part, but Arenas did a similar thing in Washington and it really wasn't that impressive. I honestly think a lot of players in his position (with similar pay) would give up the money for the opportunity to win.
That's a lot of money for Monta Ellis. Then again, it's pretty obvious that GS is building around Ellis now with Baron gone.
I see him struggling next season as he'll have to transition from not only being more of a SG to a full time PG.
this is why golden state sucks year in and year out(besides the fact their coach teaches no defense)..........monta ellis=roger mason..imo.........except mason is alot cheaper......some teams are such suckers
I think the differences in Ellis' and Arenas' situation compared to Duncan's are these: Duncan won a le which neither has done. Duncan plays on both ends of the floor which the other two don't do. And Duncan is the unquestioned leader of the team on the floor. So when the leader of your team, who plays defense and who has won a championship takes a 'pay cut' I think it means more.
@ comparing Monta Ellis to Roger Mason.
Monta Ellis is a really, really great offensive player. He shoots a high % and can give you 30-40 points in a game. Plus he's very, very fast and can get to the rim as well as anybody in the league. I'm not sure how many times Roger Mason has done that....
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