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Lakers were going to have to pick up Kenny Thomas's bad contract with Artest for Odom and now Lakerfan is fantasizing getting Smith in exchange for Odom's one year rental. When did Jerry West become the Hawk's GM?
s/b blazers. Other teams just offered old and matured players. Hawks need new guns. Other than the injured 1st pick player and Roy, I think any combination by Blazers is better than what Mav or Lakers can offer
Lakers were going to have to pick up Kenny Thomas's bad contract with Artest for Odom and now Lakerfan is fantasizing getting Smith in exchange for Odom's one year rental. When did Jerry West become the Hawk's GM?
Because it's equally likely Odom gets traded for one of those two vs he gets traded for Smith.
Farmar + Odom for Josh Smith?
WTF do the Hawks get out of that? One year rental of Odom? LMFAO! I think they'd rather get a one year rental out of Smith and let him walk for nothing. Your trade is effectively Farmar for Smith.
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because of the byc it would have to be odom for speedy and josh smith. article says that maybe hawks would like to get cap room since bibby is expiring this year and they can retool
smith doesn't have to sign the qualifying offer does he? he can persue a trade if he wants. just a matter if hawks cooperateFarmar + Odom for Josh Smith?
WTF do the Hawks get out of that? One year rental of Odom? LMFAO! I think they'd rather get a one year rental out of Smith and let him walk for nothing. Your trade is effectively Farmar for Smith.
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He can only sign an offer sheet with Memphis if Atlanta doesn't want to cooperate. In theory I guess he could get an MLE offer sheet for one year from another team, but no one's going to do that, as of course Atlanta would match it. Atlanta doesn't have a single bad contract to dump either, so no way they'd rather rent the dumbest player in the league for a year over having another year of Smith going all out for his next contract. LMFAO @ re Laker fans thinking they have anything to land Smith.
The Hawks could extend Marvin Williams $15 million next year, pick up the options on Horford and Law, and still have a max cap slot available should they not extend Smith this offseason.
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West collusion rapes Memphis and now Lakerfan thinks everyone is going to give players to LA.
Ignorant fans fail to understand that trades get made in the NBA for financial reasons all the time.
Memphis made a salary dump to get out of Gasol's massive contract, it didn't really matter what they got back because all they wanted to do was clear capspace. And look at them now, good young team that is ready to rebuild. Hornets did the same thing a few years back when they gave up their franchise PG Baron Davis for Speedy Claxton and Dale Davis.
Igorant Laker fan doesn't realize Atlanta is in great shape financially and doesn't need to make a move for financial reasons.
If they were in such great shape financially Josh Smith and Josh Childress would be Hawks right now. The fact is their ownership is a mess, and worse they are extremely cheap.
Dimemag.comWould Josh Smith look better on the Lakers or the Pistons? Reports out of Atlanta say one contending team is each conference is trying to work a sign-and-trade with the Hawks for J-Smoove, and while we don’t know exactly who it is yet, L.A. and Detroit make the most sense. If you replace Tayshaun Prince with Josh Smith (maybe give ATL one of Detroit’s young guys, too), are the Pistons then good enough to knock off the Celtics in a seven-game series?
Not just Laker fans figure LA is one of the teams from the evidence available.
LMAO. I made an airtight case as to why Los Angeles has no shot in at Smith. Let me further lay it out:
2009-10 committed salaries:
Joe Johnson $14,976,754
Speedy Claxton $5,209,454
Marvin Williams $7,355,165
Al Horford $4,307,640
Acie Law $2,216,160
red is a team option, green a qualifying offer
TOTALS:
$20,186,208 if they let everyone walk
$26,710,008 if they let Williams walk, and keep Horford and Law
$27,541,373 if they let Horford and Law walk, and Williams takes the qual
$30,186,208 if they let Horford and Law walk, and give Williams $10 million
$35,186,208 if they let Horford and Law walk, and give Williams $15 million
$36,710,008 if they keep Horford and Law, and give Williams $10 million
$41,710,008 if they keep Horford and Law, and give Williams $15 million
So, in the absolute worst case, the Hawks have $17.0 million in cap space, assuming the same cap from this year for next year. They drastically overpay Marvin Williams and they still have a max cap slot. More likely is they give Williams $10 million, bring Horford and Law back, and have $22.0 million in cap space. if they want to be as cheap as you seem to think they are, they can just let the underachieving Williams walk, keep Horford and Law for peanuts, and have only $26.7 million committed.
2009-10 is Claxton's last year on the books. No one is yet committed past 2009-10.
In summary, the Hawks have absolutely no reason to trade with LA for salary dump purposes, as there is not a single bad contract to dump. The chances for the Lakers to land Josh Smith for Odom are the same they land LeBron James for Odom, the same that they land Wilt for Odom, the same they pack up and move back to Minneapolis, etc.
LMFAO @ your dimemag post. They're speculating, and the article didn't even lay out a reason why LA could have any chance (hint: because there is none).
Sorry Laker fans; you don't have a Laker rat in high positions in the Hawks organization like you did in Memphis.
What WC team has a better player available than LA with Lamar Odom?
Besides Denver with Iverson (a team set at the SF spot and is cutting salary) the answer is none.
Hate has you may, it is a logical match considering
A - offering talent w/o a bad K
B - fits the Western Conference power tag
C - A franchise that has the financial resources to absorb a big K.
When you break it down, few teams fit that criteria.
Take a look at what Smith said - Western Conference power. Right away you can cut off all non-playoff teams. Bottom of the playoffs was Denver - hardly a power. I would say a power is only a team who made it past the 1st round but for the sake of argument, start at the bottom.
7 - Dallas. Cuban could do anything and Josh Howard is the bait. But does Atl want another SF when they have Marvin Williams already to take over there? Dallas has no young talent or picks to sweeten the deal.
6 - Phoenix. Phx ain't dealing Nash, Amare, or Shaq. Diaw and Barbosa is the bait but Atl was happy to get rid of Diaw the first time - they won't want him back. Does Barbosa really fit with Bibby/JJ in the backcourt?
5 - Houston. Great team but after the big 2 what talent do they have to offer?
4 - Utah. Boozer could be in play because Utah may deal him before he walks but Atl already has Horford. Can't see AK fitting in Atl but its possible. Utah also could offer Okur. However, Josh has a large say in where he goes and I can't see a 22 yr old from Atlanta wanting to go to Utah.
3 - SA - What do they have to offer? Big 3 stay so thats that. Atl wouldn't want Ginobili. SA ain't dealing Parker.
2 - New Orleans. Just made their move in Posey. The roster is set.
1 - You already know. Has talent available in Odom. Willing to pay money. Also can add a young filler like Farmar.
Saying no is one thing - thinking about it is something else. I'm not saying it happens but its likely LA is the one talking to Atl more than any other WC team according to Smith.
lakers would send out odom, but not sure if it benefits them that greatly.
You are right about what the other teams have to offer, but fail to realize that renting Odom for one season does nothing for Atlanta. Odom won't resign with them, and if they don't want to pay Smith I highly doubt they will want to pay Odom more $$$.
For Atlanta to ship this guy out they will have to get something back in return. What does Odom give them that they don't already have (versatile SF/PF who won't make them elite next year and can walk next summer)? The situation would be different if Odom had a longer contract, if you guys had picks to offer (you don't because of the Gasol trade), or if the Hawks needed cap room (they dont...see baseline bum's posts).
OMFG, this is so funny. Odom is a moron. Anyone who watches a lot of Laker games knows this beyond a shadow of a doubt. Remember when Odom cost the Lakers that game in Detroit by leaving Prince with no one within 10 feet of him at the buzzer? How about repeatedly leaving Nowitzki open the last minute or two of the fourth in that OT game in LA? Odom has been nothing but a complete failure in LA, and nobody wants him.
WC Powers are LA, SA, NO, Phx, Dallas, Utah, Houston, and Denver. Basically, the whole conference's playoff lineup. Aynone who wins 50 games is usually considered a le contender.Besides Denver with Iverson (a team set at the SF spot and is cutting salary) the answer is none.
Hate has you may, it is a logical match considering
A - offering talent w/o a bad K
B - fits the Western Conference power tag
C - A franchise that has the financial resources to absorb a big K.
When you break it down, few teams fit that criteria.
They don't want Howard because they have Williams? Then WTF do they want Odom for? Howard is a young versatile player who can score and defend, and who was the main reason for the Mavericks resurgence in 06. Even after a pretty bad year last year, there's no GM who'd take Odom over Howard for anything but the expiring contract, and the expiring contract idea has been shot down repeatedly.7 - Dallas. Cuban could do anything and Josh Howard is the bait. But does Atl want another SF when they have Marvin Williams already to take over there? Dallas has no young talent or picks to sweeten the deal.
Barbosa becomes their point if they let Bibby walk next season. Atlanta was happy to get rid of Diaw because they were too stupid to realize he could play. Now they know.6 - Phoenix. Phx ain't dealing Nash, Amare, or Shaq. Diaw and Barbosa is the bait but Atl was happy to get rid of Diaw the first time - they won't want him back. Does Barbosa really fit with Bibby/JJ in the backcourt?
Battier + Scola > Odom5 - Houston. Great team but after the big 2 what talent do they have to offer?
Boozer >> Odom. Smith will go to Utah if they pay him what he wants. The same way Maggette wanted to a couple of years back.4 - Utah. Boozer could be in play because Utah may deal him before he walks but Atl already has Horford. Can't see AK fitting in Atl but its possible. Utah also could offer Okur. However, Josh has a large say in where he goes and I can't see a 22 yr old from Atlanta wanting to go to Utah.
Neither of these are likely, as no major players are on the block for either.3 - SA - What do they have to offer? Big 3 stay so thats that. Atl wouldn't want Ginobili. SA ain't dealing Parker.
2 - New Orleans. Just made their move in Posey. The roster is set.
What is Atlanta's upside in doing this deal? Please please tell me why they would ever do this deal. Give me one reason why Odom for a year @ $14.5 million is better than Smith for a year at less than half that?1 - You already know. Has talent available in Odom. Willing to pay money. Also can add a young filler like Farmar.
Even if for some ridiculous reason they ever wanted Odom @ PF long-term, they can just sign him in '09 if they can't agree to terms with Smith by then. Of course they'd rather have Smith though. The Hawks have no reason to cave into a max request from Smith right now, when no one is actually bidding for him. Why should they bid against themselves right now?
LA has no young talent to offer. Young talent is Paul Millsap, Andre Iguodala, Josh Smith, Devin Harris, etc. It's not scrubs like Farmar, Walton, Arisa, and so on.
According to Smith where? All he says is it's a western conference power. There's 5 of those who can come up with a way better offer than LA. You cast Denver aside even though they've clearly been shopping Carmello.Saying no is one thing - thinking about it is something else. I'm not saying it happens but its likely LA is the one talking to Atl more than any other WC team according to Smith.
The only players I've even brought up are guys that are on the block, except for Battier + Scola.
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For ATL to ship him out it means Josh is forcing his way and they don't want to keep him for 1 year at the Qualifying Offer and want value now. That said, Odom played his best ball in the undersized East - he'll resign with whoever gives it to him.
Its not like Atl has Josh under K and sending him for the best offer - its Josh trying to get out for the best deal for him.
It's Josh trying to force their hand and Atlanta not bidding against itself. Smith will be in a contract year, so he's not going to dog it in Atlanta if he plays for the QO. It would be one thing if you're a Detroit fan arguing about Prince being value, as he's under contract in 09 and cannot be the backup plan if Smith walks. Odom on the other hand is a free agent in 09 who will be available, as his trade value will come form his expiring contract this year... so LA won't extend him, and whoever might trade for him won't either. The Hawks have absolutely nothing to gain by trading Smith for Odom, and lots of money to lose.
Moron? Maybe. No one wants him? Hardly. Always a market for a guy of his measurables and talents, especially when he doesn't have to be the man scoring. Put him in an uptempo team with a lot of shooters/scorers where he doesn't have to play in the post - ie Miami, Clipps and he can do his thing - just be a role player and set it up for everyone else.
Odom with Horford, JJ and Bibby does give Atl the passer they need.
C'mon now really. We all know 50 wins or not, there are contenders and pretenders in your list.WC Powers are LA, SA, NO, Phx, Dallas, Utah, Houston, and Denver. Basically, the whole conference's playoff lineup. Aynone who wins 50 games is usually considered a le contender.
So you say. Dallas always has to be in the mix for S&T possibilities - I already said as such because of Cuban.They don't want Howard because they have Williams? Then WTF do they want Odom for? Howard is a young versatile player who can score and defend, and who was the main reason for the Mavericks resurgence in 06. Even after a pretty bad year last year, there's no GM who'd take Odom over Howard for anything but the expiring contract, and the expiring contract idea has been shot down repeatedly.
Diaw has busted up the last 2 years. No way they want him back. And Barbosa is no PG.Barbosa becomes their point if they let Bibby walk next season. Atlanta was happy to get rid of Diaw because they were too stupid to realize he could play. Now they know.
Talent-wise? Not a chance.Battier + Scola > Odom
I agree that Boozer is better. But you really think Josh (or anyone) is working hard to get to Utah when they can get the same if not more money elsewhere?Boozer >> Odom. Smith will go to Utah if they pay him what he wants. The same way Maggette wanted to a couple of years back.
Josh is dictating things more so than Atlanta at this point.What is Atlanta's upside in doing this deal? Please please tell me why they would ever do this deal. Give me one reason why Odom for a year @ $14.5 million is better than Smith for a year at less than half that?
Even if for some ridiculous reason they ever wanted Odom @ PF long-term, they can just sign him in '09 if they can't agree to terms with Smith by then. Of course they'd rather have Smith though. The Hawks have no reason to cave into a max request from Smith right now, when no one is actually bidding for him. Why should they bid against themselves right now?
Different degrees of talent. Been so long since SA had any worthwhile you may have forgot what it looks like.LA has no young talent to offer. Young talent is Paul Millsap, Andre Iguodala, Josh Smith, Devin Harris, etc. It's not scrubs like Farmar, Walton, Arisa, and so on.
Melo ain't available. Denver made that clear when Detroit rumors first popped up. He ain't being shopped at all.According to Smith where? All he says is it's a western conference power. There's 5 of those who can come up with a way better offer than LA. You cast Denver aside even though they've clearly been shopping Carmello.
And why won't anyone extend Odom? No logic there. His value is obviously higher than you perceive.
Again, I'm not saying LA is getting Josh Smith. But its a good chance that they are in the mix. In all likelihood, Josh signs the QO, plays out one year in Atlanta, and goes next summer.
Odom gives them a declining player who never lived up to his hype.
It's not about who you consider contenders. It's about who this writer considers. Phoenix is a team that everyone was picking to make the WCF last year. Dallas is one year removed from 67 wins. SA one year removed from being the champs. Houston has tons of talent, and would challenge for a le if they could ever get healthy. Utah is a team the media vastly overrated last season, so no shock if this guy calls them contenders. They were also in the WCF a year ago. The only team on that list you could make any argument against is Denver.C'mon now really. We all know 50 wins or not, there are contenders and pretenders in your list.
Odom's no PF either.Diaw has busted up the last 2 years. No way they want him back. And Barbosa is no PG.
He can't get more money elsewhere, because Memphis is not pursuing him.I agree that Boozer is better. But you really think Josh (or anyone) is working hard to get to Utah when they can get the same if not more money elsewhere?
No he isn't. The CBA Stern pushed on the players after the lockout ensures teams always have their rookies by the balls (unless they're second round picks or go to Europe). Smith can only get paid if Atlanta wants to do it. Sucks for the player, but he has no choice under the current CBA.Josh is dictating things more so than Atlanta at this point.
Farmar's about on par with Udoka. I hate to say it because I'm a huge Farmar fan (having gone to UCLA), but he's nothing special at the NBA level.Different degrees of talent. Been so long since SA had any worthwhile you may have forgot what it looks like.
Melo wasn't available for an aging player like Billups, but might be as part of a package for Smith and a big like Williams or Horford.According to Smith where? All he says is it's a western conference power. There's 5 of those who can come up with a way better offer than LA. You cast Denver aside even though they've clearly been shopping
Melo ain't available. Denver made that clear when Detroit rumors first popped up. He ain't being shopped at all.
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