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I can't fathom so many Germans gathering to watch a Socialist speak.
Oh, wait...
Marcus you are standing on a weak argument, come on man. To belittle Obama's globe trotting is to essentially say the media does not influence the marriott voter.
Also, the obama camp is probably hoping the media coverage of this globetrotting will serve to prove to the voter that Obama does have the experience to handle international relations. There will always be people who will never vote for him no matter what, like you, but alot of people are undecided, and this is the type of stuff that will help some of them decide. To deny it is silly.
I think its kind of cool to see a candidate with such a high appeal to outsiders. I've never seen anything like it in my lifetime. But it will take a high degree of skill for Obama to properly use his high international approval for proper gains, in the hypothetical situation where he did win the election.
Such high approval usually just means its going to plummet sooner or later.
The cool thing I see in it is that if Obama wins, we may have alot of political clout right off the getgo to make some strides in whatever direction we want to go. Kind of like how Bush had all the support and credibility in the world after 9/11, but he decided to piss on it over and over again.
You have to realize alot of European countries impose the troop restrictions or deny sending troops altogether to the Afghan war because of local voters hating the war. Obama captivating the European marriott segment may give us the credibility we need to actually persuade the European leaders to sending some real help to Afghanistan. I see this as a good thing, and the typical neocon should too (unless they're the type that just sees the little D next to Obama's name, and automatically thinks everything he stands for is bad and muslim).
Last edited by Cant_Be_Faded; 07-24-2008 at 08:30 PM.
I can't fathom so many Germans gathering to watch a Socialist speak.
Oh, wait...
Good call. You stupid marriot.
Oh, and god damn I hate when Pee Wee is arguing for my side. It makes me feel dirty.
(bait for conservatives...)
It is a scoff of scoffs in the history of 21st century elections how Hillary scoffed Obama for no experience, saying he could not handle any international politics, McCain taunted Obama about how he hasn't been anywhere, and now Obama is making the biggest impact a presidential candidate has ever made in an international trip, probably in the history of the world.
This guy's ability to capture people's hearts is sick. But the public's reception to him should be seen as one big giant slap right to Hillary and McCain's faces. He is the most dominant candidate by far in one of the most important aspects of a president: capturing the people.
I'm not saying that having people on your side ACTUALLY has anything directly to do with diplomatic relations....but its definitely an underlying factor in the credibility of any politician. A man can be ing re ed, and pose stupid destructive things, but if he has people behind him, he can accomplish those things (Bush, Hitler, etc).
I am not convinced that Obama will actually use this power for good, if he wins, but I can only......hope.
Those who want a president who plays well in Europe were already in Obama's camp. Regardless, most Americans can't identify Germany on a map.
Very true, but at least half the voters can.
I think you may be on to something though. Perhaps I gave republicans too much credit. Do they really not give a about whether or not Obama has the potential to further the U.S. diplomatic relations abroad? I assumed they surely would care, because that is one of the keys for the stupid wars we are waging in the republican's names. That little republican brain child missle system in east europe...again, a greater chance of going through with Obama than McCain, based on the way people can get behind this guy.
On second thought I don't think I fully agree with this. There are alot of undecided people in the middle who likely do care about this sort of thing IMO.
seriously... this is truly what pot does to you.. s you uuuuup!
That was partly tongue in cheek but seriously it is hilariously ironic how much republicans (3/4 of which are former neocons) are downplaying the ability to rally up a group of people now that they are the side that has an aged boring candidate.
What a joke.
Good speech, nice crowd...here is the full youtube version...
McCain at the sausage house....the tolling bells are very ironic....
any American president or presidential candidate who goes overseas gets huge attention.
Really? You think McCain would have the same crowd numbers? I dont. Not even for a second.
Unfortunately for John, he will be associated with Bush. Bush is universally despised.
Sounds about right.
So Americans should vote for the candidate the rest of the world is gushing over? Seems like a rather naive argument.
You jumped to that conclusion, no one else.
Pre-Bush Jr, I would have scoffed at such a notion.
Post-Bush Jr, Im not so sure it isnt important.
But then again, I dont give a about foreign policy much anymore. Im more concerned with domestic policy. So its all frills and hula hoops at this point.
Well, thanks, a lot, thanks to you Obama supporters automatically win the thread.I can't fathom so many Germans gathering to watch a Socialist speak.
Oh, wait...
Do people seriously not know about Godwin's Law?
How is that not the argument?
That cherry was popped when Obama drew a crowd in Portland.
Seriously, you didn't see this one coming from a million miles away?
.......and I think I've found the second most stupidest post here.You're right. McCain speaking in front of the Oscar Mayer aisle will have more impact on the election than Obama's speech in front of 200,000 Europeans.
I'm sorry, next time I will post it in blue so you'll get it........and I think I've found the second most stupidest post here.
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