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LOL good call.
Raise your hand if you think D'Antoni will help us. Ever.
LOL good call.
Lee is pretty damn good. Balkman isn't as good but you can't "remove" the best aspect of his game and then say he sucks. That'd be like saying take away Reggie Miller's shooting and he sucks. Or take away Manu Ginobili's craftiness and he sucks. Or take away Tony Parker's fearlessness and he sucks. Balkman is a hustle player and that's it ... but he has been a dominant hustle player at times.
Last year he had a bad year overall plus he has injury andallegations ... but I think this trade will go down as a steal for Denver. We'll see.
Hmmm. I'm not sure if I can agree with you on this one. Balkman for nothing is an obvious trade--and I'm not convinced he won't develop into more of a player. I see Gist as having a higher ceiling, playing a different position and projecting as something more than merely a hustle player. Balkman will likely remain a hustle guy, but we could do much, much worse for our #3 swing.
Lee is not as good as he is billed, but he's not bad either. I've seen him play up close, and his defense is sub par. But again, who wouldn't take 10 and 10 with no plays called?
What he said.
Lee is pretty damn good. Balkman isn't as good but you can't "remove" the best aspect of his game and then say he sucks. That'd be like saying take away Reggie Miller's shooting and he sucks. Or take away Manu Ginobili's craftiness and he sucks. Or take away Tony Parker's fearlessness and he sucks. Balkman is a hustle player and that's it ... but he has been a dominant hustle player at times.
Last year he had a bad year overall plus he has injury and
Looking at team rosters, it looks as if a handful of 2nd draft picks might not make their teams for roster space reasons. Of these, DeVon Hardin, Richard Hendrix, Bill Walker, Joey Dorsey and CDR are possibilities. Their respective teams have time to tweak rosters to make room, but the Spurs are probably waiting to see where the dust settles between these player's training camps and their own before filling the last roster spot. I'd like to see them with at least one open roster spot heading into training camp, if not 2.
In the same sense, roster space/tax penalties might force Sergio Rodriguez, Pecherov and Chandler onto the trading block.
Is Pecherov injured?
He didn't play in Vegas at all.
Check the verb tense. Good finds, but one of them was while he was a Spurs employee, and the other was prideful coaching, and not intentional help. He and the Knicks are never going to send SA a player that they think might help, or that SA expresses an interest in.
Personally, I think Balkman is a deer.
Marco Belinelli, Golden State Warriors
Belinelli was a bust as a rookie and to top it off, he refused to go to D-League. He can shoot and score but other than that, he does nothing on the basketball court. I don't think the Spurs would be too interested, then again he's a foreign prospect so you never know.
GET THIS GUY BEFORE HIS STOCK RISES
he is a stud in the making.
Lee is pretty damn good. Balkman isn't as good but you can't "remove" the best aspect of his game and then say he sucks. That'd be like saying take away Reggie Miller's shooting and he sucks. Or take away Manu Ginobili's craftiness and he sucks. Or take away Tony Parker's fearlessness and he sucks. Balkman is a hustle player and that's it ... but he has been a dominant hustle player at times.
So Parker, Ginobili and Miller are as uni-dimensional than Balkman ?
That almost as stupid as when you said that Scola should be considered for the HOF.
I didn't take away his hustle. I say that outside his hustling, he hasn't something else to bring. Balkman is a hustle player but he really lacks of other skills and it's not enough to make him a good player.
It's fun to watch a hustle/energy guy but when it doesn't mean that this player is a good one.
I watch Knicks a lot this past couple of year and Balkman isn't a good player. His offensive game is a disaster and he isn't a dominant defender.
Lee is better but he is way overrated. He can't shoot nor create his offense and plays weak defense.
Reading comprehension much? Go back and read the thread. I didn't say Scola should be considered for the HOF. I said that the basketball HOF is so lame that someone as undeserving as Scola has a shot to make it into the HOF. And yeah, one way or another Scola's name will appear in the HOF one day.
Speaking of Scola and "stupid", you were one of the few who thought it was a great trade. How is it working out now? Still think it's a great trade? You haven't been praising much these days . . .
Where to even start . . .
So Parker, Ginobili and Miller are as uni-dimensional than Balkman ?
I didn't take away his hustle. I say that outside his hustling, he hasn't something else to bring. Balkman is a hustle player but he really lacks of other skills and it's not enough to make him a good player.
First of all, yeah Reggie Miller was a one dimensional player. What else did Miller bring to the table other than shooting? Thanks for answering.
Second of all, "hustle" is too broad to be classified as a dimension. Shooting is a dimension. Rebounding is a dimension. Passing is a dimension. Hustle is an all-around trait that is closer to craftiness and fearlessness.
Balman's hustle results in him being a good rebounding, good shot blocker, good at getting steals and an adequate defender. His rookie numbers look like that of a good center prospect ... which is pretty damn impressive for a small forward.
How about this. I'll take Renaldo Balkman. You take your crush Marcus Williams of the Clippers. Whichever player is better over a period of time you decide wins the bet. Six months le bet on the line. Deal?
I know you won't take it because you know timvp doesn't lose bets but he might as well offer it.
Lee averaged a double-double in less than 30 minutes on an abortion of a Knicks team. He's not a good defender yet but then again, no one on the Knicks was too impressive defensively. I'd take that "problem" on the Spurs any day of the week.
And you are really going to bash Lee for not being able to create his own offense?
What 6-foot-9, 240 pound power forwards can create their own shots? There are a few but those players are usually All-Stars. For some reason you have long been anti-David Lee ... I think it dates back to me saying the Spurs should have taken Lee instead of Mahinmi and you saying Mahinmi was going to be better than Lee. Good luck with that. Seriously. I hope you are right.
Hopefully Mahinmi turns out to be a stud ... and most important of all, he better be able to create his own shot. God forbid a bigman not be able to create his own shot. Mahinmi better get those rebounds go 70 feet and finish at the rim. Mix in some three-point shooting ability and stellar defense and then Bruno won't say he sucks. Oh and hopefully he does all that without hustling because if he hustles to accomplish all that, that'd make him one-dimensional.
I can't see Pop Being too jazzed to get a guy who refused to go to the d-league. Pretty disrespectful to your team to do that.
I may be wrong but I don't think D'Antoni has any hate for the Spurs now that he's away from the Suns. During summer league action, they showed Pop and D'Antoni talking in the stands. Pop also went to bat for D'Antoni after he got fired. Even during the heat of the playoff series, I don't remember Pop and D'Antoni ever showing any hate.
And seriously, whatever dislike he has for the Spurs is probably negated by the fact that he would like nothing better than the Suns to crash and burn without him. If that takes giving the Suns arch enemy a slight assist, I think that'd be fine with D'Antoni.
But I guess we'll see how it plays out. I have a feeling this might actually work out in the Spurs' favor as the Knicks clean house over the next couple years. An enemy of your number one enemy could be a friend in this case.
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I may be a Nuggets fan but i take alot from what timvp usually saysBalkman was brought in to help replace Eddie. He will bring the same thing off the bench except for the 3pt shooting that Eddie suddenly developed last season.
Balkman and $575,000 for essentially a 2nd rd pick? Any team would be crazy not to do that deal.
Out of curiosity, how much can you buy a 2nd pick for?
There is no way Balkman and Birdman come close to replacing Najera and Camby but they cost a total of less than $2mil for this season in comparison with $13mil for the other two. For a a 1st rd exit team with a big luxury tax, it was a no brainer to let this guys go and replace them as cheaply as possible.
And that's stupid.
Even with a solid NBA career, Scola has no shot to be an HOF.
No, I wasn't. Check your facts.
I've said from day one that I've siad that I didn't like the Scola trade but I considered him as a quite meaningless one.
So far, I've been right on that.
Defense.
So Balkman is a zero dimension player.
He also has nice hairs and his name is cool...
You can find him a lot of qualities but getting some steals or blocking some shots isn't the bulk of the basketball.
Balkman's offense is atrocious, his defense is good but not great and he has the body of a swingman without having perimeters skills.
He isn't a good basketball player.
How about this. I'll take Renaldo Balkman. You take your crush Marcus Williams of the Clippers. Whichever player is better over a period of time you decide wins the bet. Six months le bet on the line. Deal?
The Marcus Williams card.
Let's do it crush against crush.
You take your crushes Theron Smith and Jackie Butler, I take my crush Marcus Williams ?
The period of time I decide is last year.
Oh and I think that Marcus Williams will have a better career than Renaldo Balkman. You will have to wait a little to see it because Williams is a couple of years younger than Balkman. Give him some time.
So because Knicks are a poor defending team, his inability to play defense should be forgiven ?
So because he is undersized, his inability to create his shot should be forgiven ?
It's laughable and really egocentric to think that my evaluation about Lee is based on yours.
The most important will be his ability to defend.
I quite like how you avoid the "poor defender" part that is by far his biggest flaw. It was a poorly executed smokescreen.
Want to make a le bet that Scola's name won't be in the HOF?
Yeah Scola on the Spurs would be meaningless. Good call
Reggie Miller played defense?Defense.
Good one.So Balkman is a zero dimension player.
He does? It is?He also has nice hairs and his name is cool...
Yeah the player you said it was a "disaster" and "tragedy" that the Spurs let him go.
The Marcus Williams card.
Let's do it crush against crush.
You take your crushes Theron Smith and Jackie Butler, I take my crush Marcus Williams ?
The period of time I decide is last year.
I recommended Smith as a Long Three possibility for the minimum. It was a disappointment that Butler stopped caring about basketball after his first big contract. But in neither case did I say it was a disaster and a tragedy that the Spurs let him go. In other words, I didn't go Marcus Williams Reaction when the Spurs went elsewhere. Butler being involved in the worst trade of the Pop Era was just a coincidence ... even though you still kinda liked that trade.
(Well the Spurs never went elsewhere in terms of a Long Three but that's a thought for another thread.)
So are you taking the bet? Or was this your way of weaseling out of the bet?Oh and I think that Marcus Williams will have a better career than Renaldo Balkman. You will have to wait a little to see it because Williams is a couple of years younger than Balkman. Give him some time.
Balkman vs. Williams. Pick the time frame and we'll see who wins.
Even good defenders become poor defenders on horrible teams. If Mahinmi played with the Knicks of the last two seasons, he'd have a 0% shot of being a good defender. Good defense starts with a focus from the head coach.So because Knicks are a poor defending team, his inability to play defense should be forgiven ?
Did you name other power forwards that can create their own shot who aren't All-Stars?So because he is undersized, his inability to create his shot should be forgiven ?
Well you didn't deny it. I knew that was the origin.
It's laughable and really egocentric to think that my evaluation about Lee is based on yours.
Do you still think Mahinmi will be a better player than Lee?
You didn't see where I pointed to "stellar defense"?The most important will be his ability to defend.
I quite like how you avoid the "poor defender" part that is by far his biggest flaw. It was a poorly executed smokescreen.
Anyways, nitpicking David Lee's game is pretty lame for a Spurs fan since Lee is better than any second big the Spurs have had since Robinson retired. If you don't think Pop wouldn't cut off his right turnip to get Lee on the Spurs, you're crazy. , as a Spurs fan, you should be offering a turnip instead of nitpicking the game of a guy who can get a double-double in less than 30 minutes on the worst franchise in the NBA.
Way to twist things.
I made a bet with you that Scola won't be a HOF by himself.
Yeah he would.Yeah Scola on the Spurs would be meaningless. Good call
The disaster was drafting a player with a quite high pick and waiving him 4th month later.
It has nothing to do with Marcus Williams by himself.
If Hill sucks ass and isn't able to become at least a decent backup PG down the road, it will also be a scouting failure.
So Marion nor Raja Bell weren't good defenders with Phoenix.
Jackie Butler was quite good at creating his shoot. Oh wait, he should be an all star in your mind.
The trouble of Lee offense is that he can't shoot and can't create his shot.
Can you make a list of players that you like. I need new players to hate.
He could.Do you still think Mahinmi will be a better player than Lee?
I see that you quickly point his poor defense before foicussing on his offense.
Are you a Suns or a Wizards fan ?
It's a ridiculous argument.
So Spurs fans can't criticize Garnett or Eddy Curry because they are better than their second best big .
Let's go further, I can't criticize any single professional basketball player because they are better players than me.
I wondered the same thing.
Damn. Bruno and Timvp with the hijack. Chump still needs his question answered!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...071900002.html
The Wizards also hoped to further develop forward Oleksiy Pecherov, who appeared in 35 games as a rookie last season, but Pecherov will miss the entire league schedule with a sprained left ankle.
I was sitting right across the aisle from D'Antoni during the Knick game. He and Pop had a very friendly conversation afterwards.
Then D'Antoni blocked our exit by having a mini press conference on the baseline.
don;t blame it on D'antoniI was sitting right across the aisle from D'Antoni during the Knick game. He and Pop had a very friendly conversation afterwards.
Then D'Antoni blocked our exit by having a mini press conference on the baseline.
that should have been the organization and the arena's staff fault...
Yeah, D'Antoni was against the wall. There just isn't any room in the Cox Pavilion for the entire eastern seaboard press. That's the tradeoff for being so close to NBA notables.
Sitting in my dorm needing a break from work, I played around with the ESPN trade machine and remembered the Beno trade exception. It isn't much; about $1.7 mil. But checking all the players on every roster, one of the more intriguing names is David Lee. He could be had with the exception.
Also, with the Knicks thinking about letting go of Marbury, their depth at PG becomes more of an issue. Duhon, whom they traded for, figures to be the man. Nate Robinson seems to play more SG at times, so perhaps they could use a veteran PG in Vaughn for insurance. However, if D'Antoni prefers more scoring, he might be more interested in Hill...
Anyway, the Knicks have a trade exception at a little under $1.4 million, even less than ours, which makes their options more limited. Jacque's salary is just under $1.3, so the Spurs and Knicks could use their respective TEs to sign the players of the trade.
Here's the link: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...:24-2448&cash=
Again, maybe this speculation is totally unfounded on my part, but I needed some ST to ease my mind.
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