Again......
Non Spurs fans will say he lowered his shoulder into the back......Spurs fans will say he won't, let's leave it at that and avoid a couple of pages of arguments.
So if he stands straight up he gets run over...he just leaned in to accept the contact. Its pick setting 101. If you can't see that then you should just stop talking about basketball and take up knitting or something.
West should not have been out on the floor playing in a physical game if he was hurt anyway.
Again.......
Non Spurs fans will say he lowered his shoulder into the back......Spurs fans will say he won't, let's leave it at that and avoid a couple of pages of arguments.
Not True. T-Mac and Yao both have contracts that end in 2010, although Yao has a player option. We could just wait until then and go after one of the big boys in James/Wade/Mello/Bosh, or rework the roster a different way, but it would be smarter to wait a year when T-Mac's huge contract comes off the books.
Wow... that's a very tough question. But I'm a big fan of statistical analysis too, so I think the best thing is to look at the numbrs. Which one of them has the most rings?
Sheeit! This is a lot different than your fantasy league, where a computer decides the outcome, huh?
True - what you don't see is Horry karate chopping West in his lower back. That was a cheap shot by far - I still can't believe that Horry wasn't suspended.
If you are a non-Spurs fan and you believe that was a cheap shot, you probably out to stick to watching tennis where that whole scary tough contact thing doesn't happen.
Its not about being a Spurs fan or a non-Spurs fan. Any fan that has watched NBA basketball and has seen someone set a pick has seen 100 hundred other players do the exact same thing. It's just basketball...you lean in to accept the contact. There is nothing to argue, unless you are just grabbing at the wind by trying to relate this to what happened with Horry and Nash.
The fact that West was hurt and decided to play was the key in that sequence. If the was too hurt to withstand a hard pick then he needs to get to the bench. He went down in pain because he ALREADY HAD an injury, not because Horry injured him.
and in reality, the real difference of that series was switcing Bowen to Peja after the disaster of assigning him to Paul.
voice of reason
here's a voice of reason - what team has Artest improved in the long run? Has Artest won a championship? I agree - past injuries are past injuries, but history is history and what has Artest done that makes him a sure fire answer to a teams woes? What does T-Mac think about Artest saying that Yao hasn't ever played with a "black" player? Good start to a new team - get used to it.
Artest did nothing but make the Kings better, and he hardly did anything to make things worse in Sacramento even with his off the court 'troubles' at the end of last season. What does Artest winning a championship have to do with how much better he makes our team? Had Paul Piece, Ray Allen or KG won championships?
The main thing to look at in this trade is that the Rox did not give up any part of our group last year, and added Artest. If anything, we could just tell him to stay home and we wouldn' be any weaker than before. You could also say we added Yao if you agree the Lakers "added" Bynum.
Not one of Artest's teammates had a problem with him. He is a man that gets along well with his teammates and has a real sense of loyalty. He said the "black" thing because he was addressing the the issue of Yao being brought up in China and perhaps not having met someone who was brought up in a place like Artest (which isn't true since Rafer lived 5 mins away from him growing up).
The point he was trying to make was simply Yao had only heard about the bad things about Artest in the news, yet he hadn't met him, so he might see his 'culture' and think bad things without getting to know him. He spoke to him and they set things straight anyways.
T-Mac could probably care less about Artest's comments since he was the one to reach out to Artest after the comments and give him Yao's cell #. Tracy said the trade was the greatest feeling of his 11 year career and "can't sleep" when he thinks about it.
Artest helps.
Of course he was going to make the Kings better - they sucked. What's funny is that you say that the Kings players didn't have any problems with him, but that's not accurate. There were some Kings players that said Artest would get in a mode where he would take things personal and try to score by himself. He would disrupt called plays and try to post up to get the ball. And let's not forget his tenure with Indiana - he asked for time off to debut his rap album. And oh yeah, he went up into the stands to fight a fan - come on now he went up into the stands to fight a fan.
And yes you are right - put Artest with Garnett and Pierce or with Allen and Garnett or with Pierce and Allen and he will have a good shot at a ring. Artest with T-Mac and Yao doesn't necessarily mean he'll get a ring. Garnett, Allen and Pierce are on another level than Yao and T-Mac.
Artest helps the Rockets stay out of the 2nd round of the playoffs
Artest would take things personal and try to score by himself when he was the man in Sacramento. He was the go-to scorer. Whether he does that or not is yet to be seen. If he decides to act that way, he can have a nice helping of humble pie on the bench, something we can afford. (at least more so than the Kings) My point is that The Rockets are not in any way worse than they were before. you said "what team has he helped in the long run?". ANSWER: the Kings. He never made them worse. I didn't bring up Indiana because he did hurt them in the long run. Badly.
You also said, "Has he won a championship?" No he hasn't, and neither had those three last year and that didn't stop them. The answer to that question had nothing to do with the fact that he will help the Rockets a lot.
Garnett, Allen and Pierce are hardly on another level than Yao and T-mac or Duncan Parker and Manu for that matter, unless you mean as a whole. If that's the case, Then I'd take Artest over Ray Allen anyways. T-Mac or Pierce, you've got to be kidding. Yao and KG are the only two I'd even consider arguing over, but I'd take Yao. (This is all assuming all players are healthy)
It's hard to take you serious with comments like this. Do you honestly believe this or are you just an old fashioned hater?
Thats a great trade for the rockets and the nightmare of the off season just continues for us. Its time to face reality that the spurs f.o are a bunch of FUKIN pussies, and tight asses, SCREW THAT 2010 PLAN were getting no one. We cant even catch a cold. We wont beat LA and you can now add Houston to that list. Anakha if you dont like what ive just typed I DONT GIVE A DAMN, you can go screw yourself. THE DISASTER CONTINUES, THE SPURS ARE A DEAD TEAM WALKING! RC PUSSYFORD YOUR A FUKING COWARD!
Somebody's obsessed.
basically....
Sigh, the argument was that Horry put his forearm in the West's back, not lowering his shoulders, got it? Just dig out old articles and read them. It is very very difficult for a 6'10" guy to lower his shoulders into the back of a 6'8" when standing straight up.
Kings record and key acquisitions/losses:
2004 - 55-27, 2nd round, Weber hurt
2005 - 50-32, 1st round, Weber, Peja, Miller and Jackson hurt.
2006 - 44-38, 1st round, traded Artest for Peja, Weber gone.
2007 - 33-49, missed playoffs, Miller hurt, Kevin Martin emerges.
2008 - 38-44, missed playoffs, traded Bibby, Martin hurt, Artest hurt/suspended.
I am not sure how you can say Artest made the Kings any better.
I agree the Rockets gave up little, but it is a huge risk adding Artest. It's either bust or home run.
His clashes with Bibby was well-do ented.
He publicly asked to be traded by the Pacers after the whole organization was behind him for the suspensions after the brawl.
When he was with the Bulls, talk was that he was a cancer in the locker room, intimidating and bullies his way around, which was one reason the Bulls traded him away despite him showing great potential.
McGrady said that when he joined the Rockets, he said it was a great feeling joining the Magic, point is, it means nothing other than that he sees potential in the trade.
And no, running into the stands beating an innocent fan, beating your spouse, starving your dogs, and stabbing a FO that has been behind you through tough times is not a culture thing, it's being nuts.
When did Artest starve his dogs? He was away on an NBA trip and left his dogs with dog sitters. Turns out his dog had developed a bone disease, which is why it looked like it was starved. His spouse case was dismissed, too.
Even if Artest does not play a single game, you are looking at:
a playoff team just added Yao+Barry which is 30ppg right there.
People keeps talking about Lakers will have Bynum back. What about the Rockets adding 30ppg not even counting artest and adding a monstrous 50ppg to a 55wins play off team with Yao Barry Artest while losing practically nothing?
He left his Great Dane to underqualified personnel while he was away, that is starving him. If I left my kid to some bozo who has no ability to take care of kids, and the kid got sickly thin, I would be charged.
His domestic violence case was not dismissed:
http://www.georgiacriminaldefenseblo...nced_in_d.html
So it's his fault somebody didn't take care of his puppy.
What's next, his fault Magic Johnson got HIV?
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