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    doufass, the people on the network vidoes heard the explosions before the towers fell.

    Explosives cause explosions!
    Uhhh...

    Farts cause stinky air, so nothing else must stink?

    Is that the logic we're going by?

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    Yeah, they heard explosions that started the collapse exactly at the points of impact after surviving said impact and the resulting fires.

    You can make explosives like that in your kitchen sink and rig three skyscrapers with them over a weekend.

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    doufass, the people on the network vidoes heard the explosions before the towers fell.

    Explosives cause explosions!
    That's a pretty huge assumption on your part -- the assumption that there was absolutely nothing in the buildings that would have exploded during fires other than some sort of planted explosive and that the stresses imposed on a wounded, burning skyscraper wouldn't create native explosions that had nothing to do with the stresses it (and all that was inside of it) was under.

    I'm admittedly biased (as are those who hold the viewpoint opposite of mine) but I find it far more reasonable (and much, much more likely) that things found in offices might have exploded or that people heard unusual sounds associated with a burning building on the brink of collapse and described those sounds as best they could -- as explosions.

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    That's a pretty huge assumption on your part -- the assumption that there was absolutely nothing in the buildings that would have exploded during fires other than some sort of planted explosive and that the stresses imposed on a wounded, burning skyscraper wouldn't create native explosions that had nothing to do with the stresses it (and all that was inside of it) was under.

    I'm admittedly biased (as are those who hold the viewpoint opposite of mine) but I find it far more reasonable (and much, much more likely) that things found in offices might have exploded or that people heard unusual sounds associated with a burning building on the brink of collapse and described those sounds as best they could -- as explosions.
    doufass, the fires were up on the 80th and 95th floors, the explosions were way below that, most from the 50th floor on down.

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    doufass, the fires were up on the 80th and 95th floors, the explosions were way below that, most from the 50th floor on down.
    So why did the collapses start where the fires were?

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    I've heard explosions in my neighborhood 4 times in the past year. All of them were due to problems with the power lines. Very reasonable that a collapsing/burning building would experience explosions in its electrical system or any number of other internal systems.
    Each of the towers had something like 22 electrical substations, if memory serves. One can probably guess that a collapse would cause a *few* shorts in the process.

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    ty video. just saw 5 mins. but one interesting thing is how they found intact passports of the terrorists. that's fishy to me

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    I saw loose change.

    Thought it was a crock of

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    I just watched Loose Change for the first time.... It made me so mad. It's so obvious what happened in 9/11 yet some people still can't figure it out. I think some Americans love to just be dumb and blind and follow the government without question. God that movie fired me up

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...59008768610598
    Then you will be interested to see Loose Change: Second Edition, where they abandon about half of their claims and present newer ones that are just as stupid.

    Then of course you will have to watch Loose Change: The [allegedly] Final Cut where they do the same thing again -- and even then the "writer"/director/editor Dylan Avery immediately and publicly states he regretted including some of the bull he was trying to pass off in this latest farce of a do entary.

    Time well spent.

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    If you're going to try to convince people that explosions weren't heard in the Twin Towers, then your gonna lose!

    Doufass, Loose Change does not rely on McQueene, it relies on live network footage with real people saying they heard explosions.
    Doufass, go weaken a piece of steal to the point of it snapping, then snap it. Guess what, it sounds like an explosion. Shocking!

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    Doufass, go weaken a piece of steal to the point of it snapping, then snap it. Guess what, it sounds like an explosion. Shocking!
    doufass, the steel in the lower floors wasn't weakened!

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    doufass, the steel in the lower floors wasn't weakened!
    Especially not by explosions.

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    you are confusing an absolute logical proof like in mathematics, with reasonable inferences.

    We have 300 witnesses who heard explosions, many of the witnesses having expertise. If you can place all the witnesses near transformers, you might have the beginning of a case.
    Each building had 22 or so, if memory serves from the article that I read.

    Electrical Fire Hurts 6 at Trade Center
    Published: July 24, 1992
    An air-conditioning transformer five stories below the World Trade Center caught fire after an explosion last night, the authorities said. Six people were injured, none of them seriously, but the 110-story twin towers did not have to be evacuated, the authorities said.
    The fire was first reported at 10:02 P.M. in a 13,000-volt transformer in the Trade Center's refrigeration plant, which provides air conditioning and ventilation for the complex, the Fire Department and the Port Authority said. The electrical fire, which went to three alarms, was brought under control at 11:24 P.M., said a Fire Department official, Lieutenant Erick Weekes.

    February 26, 1993. It started like most other days. A 4 A.M. wake up, coffee and a buttered roll while driving to work at the Manhattan Central Office. At 12:18 P.M., lunch was being served when we received a call via a street alarm box at the corner of West & Liberty Streets. At the same time Engine Company 10, whose quarters are across the street from the World Trade Center, called us via radio and reported a possible transformer vault explosion on West Street near the Trade Center.

    Transformer vault (also called manhole) explosions are fairly common place in Manhattan, especially during wet weather. They're highly visible and normally generate numerous telephone calls to the Central Office. We didn't think this one was going to be any different. When Engine 10 advised us by radio they had a working fire in the Trade Center, we thought the transformer vault was located within the basement of the complex. Not a routine event, but still,it's only a transformer vault we thought.

    The Trade Center was never designed for the amount of emergency power necessary for all those trading floors they have there," Calabro said. "Tenants would come in and need emergency power, and it was not available."

    To solve that problem, E-J Electric set four generators on the roof of Tower 5, which was nine stories, as opposed to the 110-story Towers 1 and 2. E-J then ran high-voltage feeder cable to Towers 1, 2, 4 and 5, installed three substations and distributed power to the tenants.

    "We pulled 6,000 feet of high-voltage feeder cable from the roof of Tower 5, through the building, down through the concourse, through the parking garages and to the roof of Tower 1 and 2," Calabro said.

    Current standard tenant power capacity is 6W up to 10W per usable square foot depending on location. The World Trade Center's electricity supply is segmented for greater reliability and safety. Eight dedicated 13,800-V feeders divide into 23 building substations. On-floor electrical distribution is routed via at least two electrical closets per floor, each with separate high- and low-voltage bus ducts for tenant-dedicated use."


    Here are the sources of the above quotes, with references

    Astonishingly enough, if you click on the link you can also see a very stark example of how the 9-11 "truth" movement lies to you.

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