Manu Ginobili, the NBA, and the Olympics

[Otaku]

Give Manu the choice of the National Team OR San Antonio and you can start saying goodbye cause he will choose his country any day.


The solution is simple, don't want international players playing for their home country?? Don't sign them. If you do, don't cry.

[diego]

Something i have said before, is the damn system is just set up for players like Manu to go over their and play, and not have to worry about anything financially. Once you sign that big money deal, it's guaranteed. So if you get hurt playing in the Olympics it does not cost you one cent. I think this is enough of a problem that ownership in the future will likely push for, stipulations in the contracts that will cost, these players money if they get hurt playing over the summer. If that day comes, you will see almost nobody in the NBA playing in the Olympics. For 95% of athletes it is all about the money and that is being generous.

the system is set up so that the players dont worry about anything financially period. any basketball injury, regardless of where or when on the globe it happens, is covered by the guaranteed contract.

as kori explained, they are basketball players. its not a matter of a basketball player playing rugby, or doing base jumping, or dirt bike rally. a basketball player playing basketball, is the equivalent of a fish swimming. its what they do.

on top of that, the olympics provide these guys (and the IOC, NT federations, NBA, sneaker corps and coca cola and macdonalds and so on) more publicity and more revenue. thats why they all agree to do it.

if an athlete gets injured, be it for their pro team or their national team, they will lose money no matter what, even if they have a guaranteed contract. It generates a medical expense on one hand, and pulls them out of the spotlight on the other- its the equivalent of having your show cancelled for an actor/musician. They lose potential sponsors and marketing deals, and their pro team figures "if we did it without him, he is worth less" or "he is paid too much to be injured" which one way or another lowers the players leverage in future negotiations.

either way, the IOC already has the NBA in its back pocket. the rules (established by the Player's Union, ironically enough, a uniquely american phenomenon) clearly state they cant make contracts that restrict a players right to play for their national team. the only scenario in which that right CAN be restricted is if that player cant get the required injury insurance, which covers 95% of your "its 95% about the money" angle.

as lurker23 said, its either all NBA players or no NBA players, so if you're that upset and annoyed with manu, surely you feel the same about lebron, kobe, duncan in 04, etc. etc. but of course, this thread is just troll bait, and i'm the idiot that answered.

[whottt]

It's a complicated situation. I really think the Olympics should be about amateur play in basketball...and so any guy who is playing in a pro-league should be ineligible for the Olympics.

Makes it easier on everyone and it gives young players an opportunity to represent their countries.

[MiamiHeat]

as lurker23 said, its either all NBA players or no NBA players, so if you're that upset and annoyed with manu, surely you feel the same about lebron, kobe, duncan in 04, etc. etc. but of course, this thread is just troll bait, and i'm the idiot that answered.

No, you're an idiot for thinking it's troll bait. How can you be such a paranoid moron? I took the time to write out a long and thoughtful thread on a subject I wanted to discuss. Did you forget to take your crazy pills today? How does that make it a 'troll thread'? Wow.

and I believe the issue about AMERICAN PLAYERS PLAYING FOR TEAM USA WAS ALREADY COVERED.

American fans SUPPORT Team USA. What the do american fans care about China or Argentina?

The American fan is screwed over in this fashion. Because a foreign player playing in the Olympics.... well, american fans root for TEAM USA. So we hope that the Manu Ginobili's 1) lose and 2) not get injured

Where's the sense in that? Don't forget the NBA is primarily an AMERICAN SPORT in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA that sells tickets, merchandise, sponsorships etc TO AMERICAN FANS. Team USA = ok.

[ducks]

Give Manu the choice of the National Team OR San Antonio and you can start saying goodbye cause he will choose his country any day.


The solution is simple, don't want international players playing for their home country?? Don't sign them. If you do, don't cry.

give the spurs their money back then to

[Darthkiller]

I love how no one complains when kobe delayed his finger surgery to play for team USA when they dont desperately need him.

[Darthkiller]

No, you're an idiot for thinking it's troll bait. How can you be such a paranoid moron? I took the time to write out a long and thoughtful thread on a subject I wanted to discuss. Did you forget to take your crazy pills today? How does that make it a 'troll thread'? Wow.

and I believe the issue about AMERICAN PLAYERS PLAYING FOR TEAM USA WAS ALREADY COVERED.

American fans SUPPORT Team USA. What the do american fans care about China or Argentina?

The American fan is screwed over in this fashion. Because a foreign player playing in the Olympics.... well, american fans root for TEAM USA. So we hope that the Manu Ginobili's 1) lose and 2) not get injured

Where's the sense in that? Don't forget the NBA is primarily an AMERICAN SPORT in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA that sells tickets, merchandise, sponsorships etc TO AMERICAN FANS. Team USA = ok.

GJ living in the 80s, stern is making nba more globalized, china has more nba fans than US population , stern even mentioned expanding the league to europe and china.

[MiamiHeat]

I love how no one complains when kobe delayed his finger surgery to play for team USA when they dont desperately need him.

You said it yourself.

TEAM USA.

He's representing my country. our country.


If he was representing Lithuania, I would be upset. What the do I care about a foreign country?

[MiamiHeat]

GJ living in the 80s, stern is making nba more globalized, china has more nba fans than US population , stern even mentioned expanding the league to europe and china.

The majority of the population is in poverty. The standard of living is very very different than the United States. Many of those fans cannot buy tickets and merchandise. Not to mention, China's government allows a lot of bootlegging and unethical business practices. It wouldn't work. For instance, Baidu is beating Google in China. Baidu shows you and gives you all types of illegal/stealing of music and movies because our laws don't apply in China. This can also be done through google, but google does not have "SEARCH FOR MP3's AND MOVIES" button on their homepage like Baidu does. They don't care.

[mrspurs]

The Spurs don't think the games are stupid. So they'd never make that clause. Of course, they don't want Manu playing if he's hurt. But they aren't going to just start banning players from playing in the offseason.

If he wasn't playing in the Olympics, he'd be playing somewhere. Manu (and most NBA basketball players) don't just lay down for the summer. They play in Grgurich's camp, they play organized games at Pauley Pavillion, they play at the practice facilities, local gyms, whatever. They are basketball players.

Like most people, if Manu is hurt, I don't want him playing in Beijing. But I don't think anyone should tell him (or anyone else) that they just can't play.

meaning no disrepect kori, but there is a big difference between pickup games and games in which players like manu and yao go 100 percent in order to win...with that in mind we have 2 players who start for argentina, who also start for the spurs......in my book thats an equation for disaster everytime manu and fab touch the court our chances of winning another nba ring go down

[ElNono]

Mark Cuban has complained, a lot of people have complained, but why does it still happen?

Foreign players in the NBA ....

What happens when a star NBA player that is under contract for an NBA team decides to play for another country during the summer? The reasoning behind traditional use of NBA players in the Olympics was : Well, they are representing the good old US of A. It's OK.... but that's not the case now. The player could risk injury and further wear and tear on the body that has absolutely no benefit to the NBA or to the United States. This is exactly the case with Manu Ginobili and Yao Ming.


Manu Ginobili will once again play for the Argentine National team in this year's Olympic games. Manu is suffering from an ankle injury which prevented him from playing to his full potential during the San Antonio Spurs playoff run. It was evident that Manu was not Manu as the Spurs were tossed out of the playoffs by the Los Angeles Lakers. You would think that Manu would rest and prepare himself for the 2008-2009 NBA season, right? The Spurs are paying him millions of dollars to do just that, after all. Instead, Manu is going to play on his bum ankle and risk further injury to play for the Argentine National team. What happens if he suffers an injury that ruins his 08-09 season for the Spurs? It's not just about the money here. This is another year of Tim Duncan's legendary career. It could mean another championship. If The Spurs have millions in salary cap tied to with Manu, they expect Manu to be healthy. Manu does not seem to care. He is here in the USA on a work visa. He has never applied for american citizenship and never will. He has dual citizenship in Argentina (birth) and Italy (his family history gave him rights to Italian citizenship).


This same situation goes for Yao Ming, who resides in the USA with a temporary visa. Yao suffered a season ending injury, forcing the Houston Rockets to play without him once again. McGrady had to take the blame, once again. What happens if Yao goes down with another serious injury because he spent his time playing for the Chinese national team instead of resting for the 2008-2009 NBA season?


The NBA might not want to talk about this right now, but many owners have complained about it. The day will come that a foreign NBA star such as Manu or Yao that play for an important team will suffer a severe injury while playing for another country and ruin the season for the NBA team that feeds him. Then maybe, the NBA will want to talk about it. After all, the NBA and it's logo might say red, white, and blue, but we know it's all about green - no matter what country it flows from.

What do you think about this issue?

As a fan, I would be pissed off if my favorite NBA team had to suffer because of this. He didn't play for my country and he ruined my NBA team's season...... oh boy. I don't understand why there aren't MORE american fans angry about it

The only LEGAL way to prevent a player from playing in their National team (or some summer league somewhere) is to include it in his contract when the contract is signed (or extended/modified for any condition). There's already a clause on most player's contracts (foreigner or not), where they need to secure insurance payed by the national country before they're allowed to play in national teams.
When you're a loser player, and nobody wants you, then it's understandable that you would sign a contract forbidding you from playing for your country. But if you're a star, like Manu is, then there's no way he'll agree to a clause like that. He'll rather go to another team that offers as much money and let's him play. When the Spurs re-signed him they already knew this was part of the deal. If they want to prevent it in the future, they can negotiate it in the next contract they sign together.
As far as the NBA ins uting a rule like that, I don't think it would be legal. My understanding is that you can't discriminate by nationality in this country.
Now, as a fan, you sure are en led to vote with your money. I just seriously doubt fans of a successful team like the Spurs are going to turn their back on the team, and Manu specifically, because of what you mention. We're not the Miami Heat.

[diego]

No, you're an idiot for thinking it's troll bait. How can you be such a paranoid moron? I took the time to write out a long and thoughtful thread on a subject I wanted to discuss. Did you forget to take your crazy pills today? How does that make it a 'troll thread'? Wow.

right, which is why you took the time to answer my arguments.

bottom line is:

1/ the NBA is subscribed to an IOC law that requires it to make all players available
2/ the NBA and players union are both in agreement as well.

you seem to think only americans live in the US, and you couldnt be more wrong. for the league, owners and execs, it is far more valuable to have a superstar from china and another from argentina, to give you a presence on different continents, than it is to have another from los angeles or oakland. neither the spurs nor the rockets would trade any of their foreign stars.

and finally, players have injuries anyway. dwayne wade didnt need to be old, foreign, and playing in international compe ion to miss half the season last year. but you have no problem paying for that, do you heat fan? because dwayne's american, and he can get injured however he likes

could it be that you just want to start some us vs them bull ? nah, you're bringing nothing but constructive, well thought out arguments... that fly directly in the face everything your country has stood for in its 232 years of existence

good night

[Anti.Hero]

Last season was THE year that would solidify the Spurs legacy. They failed. They lost that opportunity forever.


I hope Manu wipes the floor with Kobe.

[samikeyp]

If an american NBA player wants to risk injury by playing for TEAM USA, then I support him.

if a non-american NBA wants to risk injury by playing for another country, I don't support him.

You can't have it both ways. You can't deny anyone the right to represent their country.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

right, which is why you took the time to answer my arguments.

bottom line is:

1/ the NBA is subscribed to an IOC law that requires it to make all players available
2/ the NBA and players union are both in agreement as well.

you seem to think only americans live in the US, and you couldnt be more wrong. for the league, owners and execs, it is far more valuable to have a superstar from china and another from argentina, to give you a presence on different continents, than it is to have another from los angeles or oakland. neither the spurs nor the rockets would trade any of their foreign stars.

and finally, players have injuries anyway. dwayne wade didnt need to be old, foreign, and playing in international compe ion to miss half the season last year. but you have no problem paying for that, do you heat fan? because dwayne's american, and he can get injured however he likes

could it be that you just want to start some us vs them bull ? nah, you're bringing nothing but constructive, well thought out arguments... that fly directly in the face everything your country has stood for in its 232 years of existence

good night

let it go, he doesn't get it... by now, he'll never get it

[Manufan909]

yeah tell that to the people who purchase season tickets, and i promise they will tell you............thats why manu is just another 3 point shooter, if he makes 5 or 6 we may win, if he doesnt chances are we lose, havnt you been watching manu play as of late....his ankle isnt gonna get better, ankles never do

You idiot, have you seen any footage of Manu in the recent warmup games? His first step is back, because his ankle has almost completely healed. The dunks alone show this isn't WCF Manu, this is 07-08 season Manu.

[your_pimp]

Mark Cuban has complained, a lot of people have complained, but why does it still happen?

Foreign players in the NBA ....

What happens when a star NBA player that is under contract for an NBA team decides to play for another country during the summer? The reasoning behind traditional use of NBA players in the Olympics was : Well, they are representing the good old US of A. It's OK.... but that's not the case now. The player could risk injury and further wear and tear on the body that has absolutely no benefit to the NBA or to the United States. This is exactly the case with Manu Ginobili and Yao Ming.


Manu Ginobili will once again play for the Argentine National team in this year's Olympic games. Manu is suffering from an ankle injury which prevented him from playing to his full potential during the San Antonio Spurs playoff run. It was evident that Manu was not Manu as the Spurs were tossed out of the playoffs by the Los Angeles Lakers. You would think that Manu would rest and prepare himself for the 2008-2009 NBA season, right? The Spurs are paying him millions of dollars to do just that, after all. Instead, Manu is going to play on his bum ankle and risk further injury to play for the Argentine National team. What happens if he suffers an injury that ruins his 08-09 season for the Spurs? It's not just about the money here. This is another year of Tim Duncan's legendary career. It could mean another championship. If The Spurs have millions in salary cap tied to with Manu, they expect Manu to be healthy. Manu does not seem to care. He is here in the USA on a work visa. He has never applied for american citizenship and never will. He has dual citizenship in Argentina (birth) and Italy (his family history gave him rights to Italian citizenship).


This same situation goes for Yao Ming, who resides in the USA with a temporary visa. Yao suffered a season ending injury, forcing the Houston Rockets to play without him once again. McGrady had to take the blame, once again. What happens if Yao goes down with another serious injury because he spent his time playing for the Chinese national team instead of resting for the 2008-2009 NBA season?


The NBA might not want to talk about this right now, but many owners have complained about it. The day will come that a foreign NBA star such as Manu or Yao that play for an important team will suffer a severe injury while playing for another country and ruin the season for the NBA team that feeds him. Then maybe, the NBA will want to talk about it. After all, the NBA and it's logo might say red, white, and blue, but we know it's all about green - no matter what country it flows from.

What do you think about this issue?

As a fan, I would be pissed off if my favorite NBA team had to suffer because of this. He didn't play for my country and he ruined my NBA team's season...... oh boy. I don't understand why there aren't MORE american fans angry about it

And this will be their excuse if they suck next season (most likely).

Every year they fail it is always an excuse, this year will be "Manure played summer ball" blah blah blah

Lets not forget that a lot of NBA players will also be playing "sumer ball" including: Kobe Bryant, Wade, Yao Ming, Gasol, LeBron etc etc etc...

You will not have a legit excuse this time morons!

[anakha]

And this will be their excuse if they suck next season (most likely).

You will not have a legit excuse this time morons!

Is that your prediction for the upcoming season, Louis? Just like your 'Suns will sweep' one?

[SuperManu!!!]

It's an NBA conspirary, they don't want NBA foreign players to go to the olympics so USA can win easily!!!!

[Darthkiller]

people that dont wanan manu play in olympic is obviously kobe supporters.

[Cherry]

Meanwhile...

[Manufan909]

Second to last pic is NICE.

[smeagol]

Give Manu the choice of the National Team OR San Antonio and you can start saying goodbye cause he will choose his country any day.

But . . . but . . . but . . . the Spurs pay the bills . . .

[Nbadan]

I think POP is looking at this very seriously....playing Manu limited minutes in the regular season is an option, but not unless you have other players who can create their own shots or hit from the outside...hence the interest in Pargo over Finley....

[carina_gino20]

Meanwhile...

Plus this:



The guys over at Manu's forum did this :



And here was the poor guy's reply (Post no. 13):

Todavia no entiendo como me convencen para hacer ciertas cosas!!

Dentro de las 1000 que debo haber hecho, justo eligieron esa con ESA caripela!! por favor! No digo que en las otras era Brad Pitt y/o George Clooney, pero menos Derek Z! (Que genio ese tipo!).

Les prometo que pronto sale alguna fo o de la villa, gimnasio o algo que inmortalice con mi camarola.

Cuidense.