Flopsama: I am willing to discuss offshore drilling

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I am not a big Obama fan but this is ridiculous.

Will you settle for socialist?

He's teetering in between the two to me...

[ElNono]

Will you settle for socialist?

He's teetering in between the two to me...

You won't like Obama no matter what. , I doubt you'll even like McCain.
The problem is that your hate is so obvious, that the more tagging you do on the guy the more of a fool you look like.
Now, I don't have a problem with you venting here, but don't expect anybody to take you seriously when all you do is and moan.
I also wonder, since there doesn't seem to be anything in the next government for you (regardless of who wins), why don't you pack your up and go somewhere else? Say, Venezuela, so you know what socialism and marxism really look like?
Or maybe Europe, since they seem to be on the upswing economically?
You know, sometimes going other places gives you perspective on what you have (and in your case, what you say).

[Viva Las Espuelas]

he's a marxist.

word

[Cry Havoc]

You guys should seriously, I mean it, actually read "The Communist Manifesto" before you make comparisons. Actually do a little research on Marx. For that matter, on the American system of government.

[boutons_]

socialist intervention by Fed on wall street and freddie/fannie capitalists is wonderful, but go ahead and slime HUSSEIN with lying talking points from Repug liars.

[Nbadan]

You guys should seriously, I mean it, actually read "The Communist Manifesto" before you make comparisons. Actually do a little research on Marx. For that matter, on the American system of government.

You forget, they don't read...

[Nbadan]

I like how the board conservatives act like Republicans weren't in control of Congress and the W.H. for, what? about 3 years? Why didn't they pass legislation to allow off-shore drilling then? Why did Dubya keep the FED ban on offshore drilling until it became politically expedient for him to do otherwise?

[GaryJohnston]

Jesus, this guy takes postions on all sides!

[George Gervin's Afro]

Jesus, this guy takes postions on all sides!

Sort of like 99% of all politicians?

[smeagol]

"you're a hypocrite"

always you bring weak , less Aggie twerp, GFY

You are a hypocrite. That is not weak . Deal with it.

[MannyIsGod]

@ Obama being a Marxist.

[Spurminator]

Well if I recall correctly, the Bush=Hitler stuff was at its peak leading up to the 2004 Election so I guess the desperation is on the other side of the aisle this time.

[MannyIsGod]

Are we advocating that politicians should never change their positions? Its the fear of stupid like this that prevents Washington compromise half the time and a good portion of the reason we're in such a political rut.

Anyway, Obama didn't even flip flop on the issues. He still doesn't think off shore drilling means to anyone but the oil cos (and it doesn't) but if voting on a bill with it means advancing other things he believes in then he is ok with that.

Then again Kerry didn't flip flop on his issue either. That didn't change that Republicans had their stupid one liner at the expense of an electorate that doesn't realize how passing a bill and riders work.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

socialist intervention by Fed on wall street and freddie/fannie capitalists is wonderful, but go ahead and slime HUSSEIN with lying talking points from Repug liars.

Actually I've said it sucks there too, but you're too busy sucking Obama's to notice.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I like how the board conservatives act like Republicans weren't in control of Congress and the W.H. for, what? about 3 years? Why didn't they pass legislation to allow off-shore drilling then? Why did Dubya keep the FED ban on offshore drilling until it became politically expedient for him to do otherwise?

Because oil was cheap then, dip .

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Are we advocating that politicians should never change their positions? Its the fear of stupid like this that prevents Washington compromise half the time and a good portion of the reason we're in such a political rut.

Anyway, Obama didn't even flip flop on the issues. He still doesn't think off shore drilling means to anyone but the oil cos (and it doesn't) but if voting on a bill with it means advancing other things he believes in then he is ok with that.

Then again Kerry didn't flip flop on his issue either. That didn't change that Republicans had their stupid one liner at the expense of an electorate that doesn't realize how passing a bill and riders work.

I expect him to flip flop. All politicians do, and now he's got the nomination wrapped up in his party he needs to move closer to center to appeal to the masses.

This is really about liberal re s like boutons and Dan calling McCain a flopper when their own 'chosen one' is right there with McCain on changing his position. It gets old seeing boutons bring the McFlipFlop when Obama is just as guilty.

In short, it's a non-issue but if the resident libs on the board are going to about every perceived McCain flip flop, they're going to get every Obama flip thrown back in their face.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I expect him to flip flop. All politicians do, and now he's got the nomination wrapped up in his party he needs to move closer to center to appeal to the masses.

This is really about liberal re s like boutons and Dan calling McCain a flopper when their own 'chosen one' is right there with McCain on changing his position. It gets old seeing boutons bring the McFlipFlop when Obama is just as guilty.

In short, it's a non-issue but if the resident libs on the board are going to about every perceived McCain flip flop, they're going to get every Obama flip thrown back in their face.

just froze over because I agree with AHF on this one.

[boutons_]

There is a well-do ented history of McLame's flops, including when he just doesn't ing remember what he said or how he voted.

Aggie finds a single, well-qualified softening of a HUSSEIN position (McStupid's flops have no qualifications), and then tries to say it equals the totality of McSenile's flops. A inanely weak defense of Aggie's boy Mc95%.

And remember the entire "flopping" tactic is completely originated and hammered by Rove and his filthy ilk, not the non-Repugs.

[T Park]

Will you settle for socialist?

He's teetering in between the two to me...

Theres no question his views and his ideas are straight out socialisim.

Some of his ideas straight cross the line to communism.

[T Park]

Sort of like 99% of all politicians?

Which if he didn't constantly say he was gonna be "different." and bring that whole different climate to Washington bull .

[ChumpDumper]

They're both moving towards the middle, except when the McCain campaign does one of those weird double back flips to pander to the base like last week over tax increases. I imagine Obama will do one of those if he is perceived to be conceding too much in his flip-flops.

[Ignignokt]

They're both moving towards the middle, except when the McCain campaign does one of those weird double back flips to pander to the base like last week over tax increases. I imagine Obama will do one of those if he is perceived to be conceding too much in his flip-flops.

Was McCain actually against the tax cuts in 01? If i remember, he was against them if there were not enough spending cuts.

He did though use populist rhetoric when speaking against them.

[ChumpDumper]

I was referring to last week when McCain said everything including a payroll tax increase could be on the table and a spokesman later refuted it, saying effect that McCain doesn't speak for the McCain campaign. It was pretty weird, but McCain seems to be a maverick in his own operation.

Just to make it clear, I don't think it's a big deal -- just a funny gaffe from the spokesman. It will be interesting to see if someone tries to nail McCain on that in another interview or a debate.

[JoeChalupa]

I don't want ANY candidate who is not willing to change their minds when new information or strategy on an issue arises. The "stay the course" strategerie has proven to be a very bad strategy.
Thick headedness is bad for the course of our Country.
Flip-flop if need be but get done!!!!!!!!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I don't want ANY candidate who is not willing to change their minds when new information or strategy on an issue arises. The "stay the course" strategerie has proven to be a very bad strategy.
Thick headedness is bad for the course of our Country.
Flip-flop if need be but get done!!!!!!!!

Having a candidate compromise would be a welcome change to what has been happening in D.C. the last several years.

I'm just tired of the resident dip s like croutons taking offense when McCain does it, and getting down on their knees for Obama when he does it.

Either it's cool that they're both willing to compromise, or it's bad, but this 'it's bad when McCain does it, good when Obama does' is the most re ed ever. Of course, that's boutons for you.