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    Whether Hill pans out, no one can say right now, but even Marcus Williams looked great at times for the Clippers' SL team, after being totally out of his depth last year. Hill's learning curve is very steep. If he needs time and the Spurs bring in Pargo, that seems like a win-win to me.

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    Do you know something we don't, perhaps?

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    Irrespective of need, Pargo would be a good pickup.
    Yeah for $2M starting price, he's a good deal. Plus it would hurt the Hornets and that's also good.

    By glancing at the numbers, the Hornets look like they are pretty darn close to the luxury tax threshold after signing Posey. Perhaps the Spurs know they can outbid the Hornets if the Hornets won't go over the threshold.

    Something is definitely up since the Spurs have stalled before making the obvious moves of re-signing Finley and signing draft picks such as Hill and Gist. I guess part of the delay could be a Pargo pursuit.

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    I'm guessing the Spurs are offering Pargo what they offered Najera ... 4 years and $8M.
    Are you calling a preemptive bull ??

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    spurs still need to sign gist if they get pargo

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    and ur a ing idiot.

    That goes without saying.
    Nice mature, relevant, thought out take. As usual...

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    1) I've long pointed to Pargo as a player the Spurs should sign. Too bad the Spurs didn't listen back when they could have had him for the minimum.

    2) Pargo and Finley don't have much to do with each other. Pargo is a point guard. He's not really a shooting guard at all. Too small. He can play a little shooting guard sometimes but not nearly enough to classify him as a potential shooting guard.

    3) This is bad news for Hill. When drafted, Pop thought he could step right in and be the backup point guard. If the Spurs are pursuing Pargo, that means the Spurs don't believe Hill is ready. Perhaps the Spurs think Hill needs a few years in Austin. Or it could mean the Spurs think Hill just plain sucks. Either way, something happened for the Spurs to like Hill a whole lot less than when they drafted him.

    4) They're putting together a Bonner, Hill, 2009 first rounder, 2010 second rounder for Artest

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    But I thought Hill was ready and Pop was praising him left and right...
    When some of us said he was Toros material, people started saying we were not Spurs fans... But now everybody agrees?

    Some people need to start eating the warm crow served to them. You know who you are.

    I'm actually more concerned that the Spurs haven't extended a contract offer to Gist yet. I would have taken him over Tolliver from what we saw in the SL...

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    I'm guessing the Spurs are offering Pargo what they offered Najera ... 4 years and $8M.
    I really would've had rather had Najera. He'd been a perfect fit to replace Horry and to make Bonner expendable.

    If this happens, it's not a good sign for Hill, as you've stated earlier. It could also mean that Pop was a tad overzealous in his estimation about Hill's readiness to play. We'll see.

    Even if they do sign Pargo, they could still resign Finley. After all, it's not like Pargo is a standard SG. Of course, he could be in one of Pop's wacky lineup schemes.

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    Yes, I agree the kid can defend well, but it's anything but clear that he can shoot the ball well or even be a servicable scorer in the NBA. That's the part I disagreed with and that's why I bolded that part of his quote.
    Not to knock your take, but name other late first round draft picks (26th or later) that have come in as effective scorers? I mean, if he can defend NBA point guards well, that is already a bonus. Not to say that Pargo would not be nice, especially because regardless of position the Spurs need a shooter, but Hill seems to be ready to get some minutes. Unless a trade brings us a veteran at the 3-5 spot, I can not see us trading Hill or signing Pargo.

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    But I thought Hill was ready and Pop was praising him left and right...
    When some of us said he was Toros material, people started saying we were not Spurs fans... But now everybody agrees?

    Some people need to start eating the warm crow served to them. You know who you are.

    I'm actually more concerned that the Spurs haven't extended a contract offer to Gist yet. I would have taken him over Tolliver from what we saw in the SL...
    I'm sure we'll sign Gist. We just don't have to yet as we have his rights.

    The way this is all playing out with the backcourt, as others have mentioned, something's up. Well, that or Pop is drinking way too much wine before picking up the phone to call other teams and free agents.

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    I wouldn't be surprised if they re-sign Finley...LOL


    Didn't Mark Cuban said that he would sign Finley back to the Mavs in a heartbeat as soon as he became a free agent?

    I hope they don't resign Finley. Yes, I did read something about Cuban making a comment about welcoming Finley back to the fold, at some point in the future.

    Please Cuban. Take him Finley out of Pop's reach.

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    But I thought Hill was ready and Pop was praising him left and right...
    When some of us said he was Toros material, people started saying we were not Spurs fans... But now everybody agrees?

    Some people need to start eating the warm crow served to them. You know who you are.

    I'm actually more concerned that the Spurs haven't extended a contract offer to Gist yet. I would have taken him over Tolliver from what we saw in the SL...
    The Spurs have Gist's rights. They did not have Tolliver's. If the Spurs did indeed like Tolliver for whatever reason, they had to lock him up early so that no other team could make a bid. They do not have to worry about Gist, because they can wait it out and see what happens with trades, free agency and ...

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    Don't make yourselves look stupid moron spurs fans you know your front office is only offering 2-year deals...

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    Gist the new Spurs saviour!!! LOl hahahahahahaha

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    Gist the new Spurs saviour!!! LOl hahahahahahaha
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    I hope they don't resign Finley. Yes, I did read something about Cuban making a comment about welcoming Finley back to the fold, at some point in the future.

    Please Cuban. Take him Finley out of Pop's reach.

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    Not to knock your take, but name other late first round draft picks (26th or later) that have come in as effective scorers? I mean, if he can defend NBA point guards well, that is already a bonus. Not to say that Pargo would not be nice, especially because regardless of position the Spurs need a shooter, but Hill seems to be ready to get some minutes. Unless a trade brings us a veteran at the 3-5 spot, I can not see us trading Hill or signing Pargo.
    Carl Landry
    Craig Smith
    Paul Millsap
    Jason Maxiell
    Linas Kleiza
    David Lee
    Brandon Bass
    Monta Ellis
    Ryan Gomes
    Kevin Martin
    Leandro Barbosa
    Josh Howard
    Kyle Korver
    Two guys, I think their names are Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili or something.

    All drafted at or below 26 in the last five years (well, except for our boys).

    You were saying?

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    Two guys, I think their names are Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili or something.
    ...Wait, who the * * are these people?

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    to be fair, AHF, about half your list were crap to mediocre their rookie year. yes, they may be good players now, but they didnt have it from the get go.

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    Not to knock your take, but name other late first round draft picks (26th or later) that have come in as effective scorers? I mean, if he can defend NBA point guards well, that is already a bonus. Not to say that Pargo would not be nice, especially because regardless of position the Spurs need a shooter, but Hill seems to be ready to get some minutes. Unless a trade brings us a veteran at the 3-5 spot, I can not see us trading Hill or signing Pargo.
    The problem for Hill is that he's not a PG. It's hard enough to transition from College to the Pros, and if you add he's gotta learn a new position, I think it's too much. It's not a knock on the kid, it's just truly, really hard. And the Spurs core might have another 3-4 years together, so we don't have time to waste. I think Pop probably likes his work ethic, so the kid will be around.
    I wouldn't mind Pargo, if he can be had for a 2 year deal and reasonable money.

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    Rookie year scoring
    Carl Landry: 8 pts
    Craig Smith: 7.4 pts
    Paul Millsap: 6.8 pts
    Jason Maxiell: 2.3 pts
    Linas Kleiza: 3.5 pts
    David Lee: 5.1 pts
    Brandon Bass: 2.3 pts
    Monta Ellis: 6.8 pts
    Ryan Gomes:7.6 pts
    Kevin Martin: 2.9 pts
    Leandro Barbosa: 7.9 pts
    Josh Howard: 8.6 pts
    Kyle Korver: 4.5 pts
    Two guys, I think their names are Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili or something.

    All drafted at or below 26 in the last five years (well, except for our boys).

    You were saying?
    Ya, they were all prolific scorers entering the league, that is why they shot so well their rookie year and got so many minutes. If you think Hill could not match that scoring production with the same amount of average minutes you are crazy.

    You were saying... maybe you and I differ greatly on our definition of "prolific"

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    to be fair, AHF, about half your list were crap to mediocre their rookie year. yes, they may be good players now, but they didnt have it from the get go.

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    ...Wait, who the * * are these people?
    Freaks of nature that have allowed the Spurs to win 4 championships. How many other teams have drafted like that? Peoples willingness to jump ship because of a story is not only alarming, but telling. It tells you what people really think. There will be no hiding now one way or another. If Hill is involved in a trade that brings us someone valuable in a position we need and allows us to sign Pargo, than fantastic. That is great value for a #26 pick. If he plays and defends well and averages 6 points in 14 minutes a game, than fantastic, he gives us as much value as everyone on AHF's list in their rookie season.

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    Gist the new Spurs saviour!!! LOl hahahahahahaha
    and your team is amazing all of a sudden?

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