Spurs May Sign Pargo...

[ceperez]

Exactly. I see a Vaughn and Bonner trade happening.

Can you think of a team that may want these two underperformers?

I think we do what we did to Malik Rose. Play them so that they get their stats up, then trade them for a pressing need.

The offseason where their perceived values are at the lowest is the worse time to trade.

BTW.... I do like that Nocioni idea. I really like guys with a lot of toughness. The guy we should have aimed for years ago was Caron Butler, no nonsense sheer toughness. Just like Paul Pierce, perfect for playoff basketball. Not a lot of these players in the league.

[Darkwaters]

Can you think of a team that may want these two underperformers?

Vaughn actually has a very reasonable contract for his output. Hes probably one of the best 3rd string PGs in the league and plays for the absolute league minimum. How much of a trade asset is that? Not much. But I suppose you never know.

Still, to call Vaughn an underachiever is simply ignorant. Vaughn was never intended as the backup. He was supposed to be a 3rd string mentor to Beno and Tony. The fact that hes played in the backup role for nearly two years would actually suggest that hes a perennial overachiever.

[jag]

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[SKINNYPIMP210]

Water and a freezer usually works best.

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!! You pulled out the Billy Madison skit!

[koriwhat]

Vaughn actually has a very reasonable contract for his output. Hes probably one of the best 3rd string PGs in the league and plays for the absolute league minimum. How much of a trade asset is that? Not much. But I suppose you never know.

Still, to call Vaughn an underachiever is simply ignorant. Vaughn was never intended as the backup. He was supposed to be a 3rd string mentor to Beno and Tony. The fact that hes played in the backup role for nearly two years would actually suggest that hes a perennial overachiever.

agree'd! vaughn might not have a pretty shot or a high fg% but the hustle and determination he brings every game is why i don't jump on the hate-vaughn wagon. i don't get all the hate for a pg who does what is expected of him.

[Bruno]

Honestly, Pargo isn't a very good player but he could be a decent addition on a short term contract with a low salary.
If Hill is as half as good as Pop said, he should overplay him quickly.

[Mr. Body]

Mario Chalmers. Check out his stats again.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Why?

[Mr. Body]

I still can't believe they drafted George Hill with their first round pick. I may never get over it.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Boo hoo.

[K-State Spur]

I still can't believe they drafted George Hill with their first round pick. I may never get over it.

Check out Mario Chalmers stats as a POINT GUARD.

I liked Chalmers as a prospect too, but let's quit acting like he proved anything at all as a point. Nearly all of his collegiate success came when they moved him off the ball.

And I'll hold off on anointing him a great one based solely on a couple of summer league games (where his stats were buoyed by getting to the line far more than he ever will in the league).

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

That may be a proverbial first nail in the coffin of this actually happening. Could it be that another free agent is name dropping the spurs as a way of spurring interest in his services? Again? If it is I may seriously have to consider killing the next agent who name drops us.

A slow death I think. Something like a crows nest with the key to the exit on a hair length too short chain....


Hey they have to learn somehow.

I don't think you should count it out just because he wants a third year. The Spurs were willing to give Najera a four year deal, this would basically be the same deal they offered him.

Besides, if they pull this off odds are they move Vaughn (lots of teams looking for serviceable PG help) and they could have their veteran backup point (who can actually score) for the next 3-4 years.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I still can't believe they drafted George Hill with their first round pick. I may never get over it.

Well, I'm sure the Spurs front office is devastated at that news.

[mrspurs]

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!! You pulled out the Billy Madison skit!

[timaios]

I still can't believe they drafted George Hill with their first round pick. I may never get over it.

That was the idea.

[DespЏrado]

I don't think you should count it out just because he wants a third year. The Spurs were willing to give Najera a four year deal, this would basically be the same deal they offered him.

Besides, if they pull this off odds are they move Vaughn (lots of teams looking for serviceable PG help) and they could have their veteran backup point (who can actually score) for the next 3-4 years.

I hope that's true. The disappointment this year has been pretty high up there...and the way players have been using the Spurs to up there value has only heightened that sense of falling just short of getting the perfect pieces for another run.

[DMX7]

I really don't like how hard the Spurs are pushing for another PG. Doesn't say much about what they expect out of Hill. And I'm not trying to Dis him, I want him to do well but Pargo could be expensive for a 4th Point Guard.

[timvp]

While Mason and Pargo wouldn't exactly be an awe-inspiring pull for the MLE, I like how they can score. Even though both have struggled with shooting percentages in the past, the Spurs last year didn't even have anyone capable of creating scoring chances outside of the Big Three. Barry was the closest thing the Spurs had but he's someone who looks to pass first before shooting. Finley can't score if he's guarded. No one else on the team could score.

Mason and Pargo both scored more last year per minute than anyone on the Spurs outside of the Big Three. While they obviously aren't flawless players, getting a couple players who can actually put the ball in the hole has to help. On top of that, they both should be better than the defenders they are replacing (Mason for Barry and Pargo for the Ginobili/Barry point guard playoff tandem at backup PG).

Not outrageously successful additions but getting both would go a long way toward solving the scoring drought problem of '07-08.

[Mr. Body]

Check out Mario Chalmers stats as a POINT GUARD.

I liked Chalmers as a prospect too, but let's quit acting like he proved anything at all as a point. Nearly all of his collegiate success came when they moved him off the ball.

Well, no, but we're comparing him with George Hill, aren't we? Hill lags behind Chalmers in point guard abilities, you'd have to say. Chalmers has him beat in experience, defense, shooting, and ball-handling. Check out his shooting percentages in a major conference: through the roof. Look at his steals.

But that's beside the point. What's clear is the FO is flailing a bit. There's no clear strategy. Loading up on point guards, getting smaller...

[DPG21920]

Well, no, but we're comparing him with George Hill, aren't we? Hill lags behind Chalmers in point guard abilities, you'd have to say. Chalmers has him beat in experience, defense, shooting, and ball-handling. Check out his shooting percentages in a major conference: through the roof. Look at his steals.

But that's beside the point. What's clear is the FO is flailing a bit. There's no clear strategy. Loading up on point guards, getting smaller...

Strategy is long term. It is not a series of individual moves. It is chain of events that tie into each other. You can not be myopic.

[DPG21920]

We have no idea the reasons behind the moves right now and we will not know until they tell us their ideas or reasoning. When that happens, then you can look at the strategy as a whole and evaluate it. Making a move for Pargo plays into a bigger picture of sorts and until that is completed or unveiled we will not know if the plan is wise.

[xtremesteven33]

HOOPSWORLD: Hornets Passing on Pargo

An internet report this morning suggested that the New Orleans Hornets are going to pass on free agent guard Jannero Pargo, and agent Mark Bartelstein confirmed this for HOOPSWORLD today.

"We don't understand it," said Bartelstein. "Up until about a week ago we were confident that we would get something done with the Hornets, but something happened internally and their stance has changed. It would have been nice to know that earlier so we could have gotten something done earlier in free agency, but there's a lot of interest in Pargo and we'll get something wrapped up soon."

Bartelstein intimated that Pargo was really looking forward to returning to New Orleans and loved playing with the guys there, but the Spurs have made it clear that he'd be a rotation guy backing up both the point and two-guard spots, so it appears they may win out in the bids for his services. There's certainly no question that Pargo will be a huge asset to his new team, whether it's San Antonio or one of the other potential suitors. Pargo really came into his own in Byron Scott's run-and-gun offense and was a huge factor in the Hornets' impressive postseason run. If the Spurs were able to add him they would finally have made a move that helps them get better for the first time this offseason.

As for the Hornets, the word is that they'll look to Mike James to handle the back-up PG duties, but given the fact that James is not really a point guard, that's a scary prospect in a Western Conference that's filled with incredible point guards. We'll be catching up with Hornets GM Jeff Bower soon to get the rundown on his plan for the roster when he gets back from vacation


http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9704

[I. Hustle]

We have no idea the reasons behind the moves right now and we will not know until they tell us their ideas or reasoning. When that happens, then you can look at the strategy as a whole and evaluate it. Making a move for Pargo plays into a bigger picture of sorts and until that is completed or unveiled we will not know if the plan is wise.

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[DPG21920]

WTF? How about Roger Mason? He can score just as well as Finley but plays better D, that makes the Spurs better. If Mason gets the 27 minutes per game that Finley got, I can see him being a 12-13 point, 2 assist guy with better defense.

[Kindergarten Cop]

HOOPSWORLD:
If the Spurs were able to add him they would finally have made a move that helps them get better for the first time this offseason.