Top Four Point Guards In The NBA

[cherylsteele]

It's very close, but I'd give edge to Arenas for being such a scoring machine.

It isn't even close because Arenas isn't a PG, he is a SG.

[ChelsSpurs21]

1. Tony Parker- not just because he's a spur but he can get in the lane better than anybody in the NBA.
2. Jason Kidd-No explanation
3. Steve Nash-Even tho Bruce bowen shuts him down every time we play him
4. Chris Paul-Great passer

[kupogrey]

this thread is just full of win



parker is not the greatest in the league

[MI21]

This is a pet hate of mine.

I really hate when people complain about Tony Parker's assist per game amount and use that as some type of factor to rank him lower than other PG's that get a few more assists per game. You need to look at it in some context.

If you have ever actually watched a Spurs game, you will notice that the offense is certainly not conducive to any single player averaging a load of assists. The motion offense lends itself to teamwork, not one man dominating the ball. It generates a high amount of team assists, not individual assists. When they start running the offense through Timmy in the post it's either Tim doing his thing or drawing the double team which leads to multiple passes. A lot of the time it's not the first pass that kills the opposition, it's the second. Once again, that lends itself to high amount of team assists, not a high amount of assists for any one player.

When Tony drives and dishes it's a similar thing. A lot of teams have PG's that get the ball into the lane, kick it out and the shot goes straight up. Anybody who has watched the Spurs knows that they get themselves in trouble by not shooting that type of shot, and overpassing. Bowen with his headfakes, Barry with his passing, Finley when he is going through his long cold streaks passes up shots. Once again, team assists, not individual assists are gained with the way they play. Even the Spurs PnR involving Tony is geared for Tony to score, not the roller. Which leads me to the point that Tony is instructed by the coaching staff to shoot and push the break by himself. Instructed to do so.

It's unfair to expect 10+APG with the style of offense the Spurs run. Put Tony on the Warriors, Suns, Jazz etc and his APG would rise.

Tony Parker s up the opposition defense as much as almost anybody in the league, and people want to downplay him because he averages a couple of APG less than players who are in a far better situation in regards to getting assist numbers.

that. Get a clue.

/endrant

[timaios]

who would put Paul above nash? Nash is hands down the best pg in the game. He can shoot, score, and get 15 ast easy. He has unlimited range on his shot. Paul has trouble if he cant get into the lane, not a good shooter form outside 17ft and.

I would put Williams ahead of Paul, better all around player, not flashy but big strong fast and skilled. Great shooter.

Nash can't defend !

[timvp]

MI21 once again proves he has a master's degree in basketball

[roycrikside]

You take Arenas off of Washington and they are a better team. As evident by last season. Arenas is a top five overrated player in the league. He's a chucker who doesn't play D and cares little of the team concepts that lead to a winning basketball culture.

Regarding Parker's ranking, I really don't care. First of all, point guard is the only position that depends largely on what situation you are in. Someone like Steve Nash gets the ball about 80% of the time his team is on offense. A player like Parker gets the ball about 25% of the time his team is on offense. You can't compare a point guard in a pick-and-roll offense to a point guard in a motion offense.

Stats and scouting says Nash is a better player than Parker. However, Parker dominated Nash in the playoffs this year so how does that factor in? It's tough to say.

Chris Paul has to be "better" than Parker no matter what criteria you use. Then again, in Game 7 when Paul, West, Duncan and Ginobili folded tent and disappeared, Parker was the lone star who stepped up to the plate.

Depending on how you want to judge point guards, I can say that it is fair to put Parker anywhere from about 10th or 11th to 2nd or 3rd. But really, player positional rankings have little to no bearing on winning championships. While Parker is far from perfect, there aren't three point guards I'd trade him for right now if my ultimate goal is to see the Spurs win the championship.

So um... leading the team in points and assists on a bum ankle in Game 7 (as well as Games 5 and 6) is now "folding the tent" ?

That's Ducks worthy.

[timvp]

So um... leading the team in points and assists on a bum ankle in Game 7 (as well as Games 5 and 6) is now "folding the tent" ?

That's Ducks worthy.

I'm talking late in the game. Final 18 minutes, Duncan and Ginobili combined to go 0-for-12, IIRC. Paul and West turned the fate of their season over to Jannero Pargo. That's four tent foldings late in the game if you ask me.

[johnny_J_Jackson]

Hey lebomb, shut your french ass up. Parker should be honored to be ranked #3, and if you think Parker is ahead of Paul you should go make love to your mother.

[MI21]

MI21 once again proves he has a master's degree in basketball

Cheers

Just pisses me off. Even worse, most of the time it is Spurs fans underating or bagging on Parker. I'm all for being objective and can point out flaws in even TD's game, but some of things you see fans say about Parker make me wonder if people actually watch any of the games.

[ducks]

You take Arenas off of Washington and they are a better team. As evident by last season. Arenas is a top five overrated player in the league. He's a chucker who doesn't play D and cares little of the team concepts that lead to a winning basketball culture.

YEP
Chris Paul has to be "better" than Parker no matter what criteria you use. Then again, in Game 7 when Paul, West, Duncan and Ginobili folded tent and disappeared, Parker was the lone star who stepped up to the plate.

[ducks]

So um... leading the team in points and assists on a bum ankle in Game 7 (as well as Games 5 and 6) is now "folding the tent" ?

That's Ducks worthy.

[ducks]

Cheers

Just pisses me off. Even worse, most of the time it is Spurs fans underating or bagging on Parker. I'm all for being objective and can point out flaws in even TD's game, but some of things you see fans say about Parker make me wonder if people actually watch any of the games.

what are they going to do when tp is the face of the franchise in a couple of years

[z0sa]

Laugh, because TP will be playing for a French team that pays him PHAT.

[ivanfromwestwood]

Arenas has been pretty durable until last year.

Parker carries San Antonio? since when?



So Parker is better than Nash, Paul, Dwil because he has more finals MVPs?

yes. if im not mistaken parker held his own and played just as well against paul and nash this year and d will in 07.

[Spurtacus]

Parker is fifth. My opinion and I don't really care about your bias opinion.

1. Paul
2. Deron
3. Nash
4. Baron
5. Parker

[Weather Man Bob]

Parker should be at number two.

[Dave McNulla]

scrappy-doo gets top nod.

i think tony could move up.

[tonyisamazing]

I don't like to say this but d-will and paul are the best point guards in teh league

[Tully365]

It's interesting how the point guard position is suddenly in vogue again, even though last year's finals featured two teams whose most unheralded players started at the point-- Rondo and Fisher. Aside from maybe Detroit (and that's a borderline scenario too), when was the last time a team with a classic pass-first PG won it all? All of the great traditional PGs of the past 12 years or so are ringless (Nash, Kidd, Stockton), while the two greatest post players of this era--Duncan & Shaq-- have eight. I certainly have nothing against classic PGs, and wouldn't suggest not drafting one if he was available, but I don't think they are necessary in the least to win a le.

[DROB4EVER]

Nash can't defend !

Nash is a poor defender so is paul!