VSpan looked good for Greece

[ThunderStix®]

Spanoulis is much better even than Calderon I have seen them both many times to know this. Now that some fans is able see him play they start understand what I have been say about him. It is like some sick joke how Van Gundy bench him and Rockets fans talks about him.

You're the one full of crap and lies. "Better than Calderon", yeah...

Don't give me that "youtube highlight video", anyone can look good in a highlight video.

Rafer Alston is a good player. V-Span is not.

He'll never do anything in the NBA, the best league in the world.


GTHO loser. Troll.

[DaDakota]

23 points and 5 assists today.

2nd leading scorer in the entire tournament at 19ppg

If he stayed in Houston, he would have been pushing Rafer as the starter....

JVG was in a contract year, doesn't like players who are risky, he would rather bring in Rick Brunson, or Charlie Ward...players that will do exactly as the little general would ask.

JVG was the worst coach for the Rockets thank GOD he was fired...

As for V-Span, he can play, everyone pissing and moaning about his ROOKIE year, need to take a chill pill.

V-Span did what was right for his career in leaving Houston, where he was caught between a GM who wanted him...Dawson/Morey and a coach that didn't....JVG.....

How would you feel if you took less money to come to the NBA, and then got there and got stuck in a management fued?

Not good I imagine....the Rockets hoped firing JVG would get V-Span back, but the damage was done and he wanted to go back to Greece.

Can't blame him one bit.

And, if he decided to come back to the NBA....teams would be LINING UP to give him a MLE type of deal, the guy can flat out play, and plays hard all the time, something most NBA players do not do anymore.

DD

[endrity]

23 points and 5 assists today.

2nd leading scorer in the entire tournament at 19ppg

If he stayed in Houston, he would have been pushing Rafer as the starter....

JVG was in a contract year, doesn't like players who are risky, he would rather bring in Rick Brunson, or Charlie Ward...players that will do exactly as the little general would ask.

JVG was the worst coach for the Rockets thank GOD he was fired...

As for V-Span, he can play, everyone pissing and moaning about his ROOKIE year, need to take a chill pill.

V-Span did what was right for his career in leaving Houston, where he was caught between a GM who wanted him...Dawson/Morey and a coach that didn't....JVG.....

How would you feel if you took less money to come to the NBA, and then got there and got stuck in a management fued?

Not good I imagine....the Rockets hoped firing JVG would get V-Span back, but the damage was done and he wanted to go back to Greece.

Can't blame him one bit.

And, if he decided to come back to the NBA....teams would be LINING UP to give him a MLE type of deal, the guy can flat out play, and plays hard all the time, something most NBA players do not do anymore.

DD

I am not a Kill Bill fan, or a Spanoulis fan, but everyone has to understand that thought up there. Billy came over for much less money, and came in an absurd situation. JVG was not going to play him, period. When you sacrifice so much, and get so little back of course you wanna go back. And in fact he has re-estabilished himself as a top 5 player in Europe probably.

[stretch]

Spanoulis is so much better than idiots like Alston and Luther Head is just hilarious thing see how stupid Rockets fan is.

then he needs to prove it

[Tmac&Luther]

I love when it is so easy to point out examples in one sentence that disprove an entire post: BENO UDRIH.

Where did I say that Spanoulis minus Scola makes the Rockets better?
Where is Josh Childress? I guess he can not cut it either...

I have no ties to Spanoulis and would not take him over Parker, but would without a doubt take him over Rafer. I am not enamored with him at all, but do realize he could be a serviceable guard in the NBA.

Why the do you keep bringing up Josh Childress........Josh already proved he could play in this league, but went overseas because a dumb team was willing to severly overpay for his services.

Also it's completely re ed to say Vsuck is better than Rafer when he couldn't even get off the bench on the same team Rafer plays on.........all Vsuck did was sit and sulk like a little girl. Rafer has actually put in his time and has earned where he is right now..........Vsuck, hmm not so much. Vsuck wasn't even the shooter than Rafer is, when he was on the Rockets......and that's just plain sad.

[endrity]

Right now Spanoulis is the third best scored in the Olympics, is the guy who took out the US 2 years ago, and is probably the top PG in Europe.

I think he has proven he is better than Rafer and Head. The fact that he struggled for a season with the Rox says a lot about how disfunctional the Rox were, not just what a whinner Spanoulis is.

[Tmac&Luther]

The fact that he struggled for a season with the Rox says a lot about how disfunctional the Rox were, not just what a whinner Spanoulis is.

Yeah, the high character guys like Yao and Battier just screamed disfunctional........please stop making up excuses for Vsuck. He may be a top PG overseas, but in the NBA he's just a scrub who whines his ass off and can't play a damn lick of defense (which is the main reason why he couldn't get his ass off the bench).

[mavs>spurs2]

spanoulis is suck

greece is suck

kill bill is suck

[monosylab1k]

I am not a Kill Bill fan, or a Spanoulis fan, but everyone has to understand that thought up there. Billy came over for much less money, and came in an absurd situation. JVG was not going to play him, period. When you sacrifice so much, and get so little back of course you wanna go back. And in fact he has re-estabilished himself as a top 5 player in Europe probably.

He didn't want to have to pay his dues in the NBA. Pretty much everybody does it. Manu did it, Parker did it, Dirk did it. They all took their lumps, paid their dues, and went on to be great NBA players. Spanoulis obviously wasn't interested in paying his dues, he wanted the respect of a star player before he became one.

[ThunderStix®]

spanoulis is suck

greece is suck

kill bill is suck

Any thread or any post by Kill Bill is suck.

[rAm]

Any thread or any post by Kill Bill is suck.

Kill Bill may seem like a whack job but he brings up some legit points. One of them being most rockets fans are re ed.

That being said he does get a little obsessed with players on his team or in the Euroleague in general, but who isn't obsessed with players of their favorite team. That and the Euroleague is rising up the ranks, so you should stop hating.

[RonMexico]

V-Span is a huge pussy. I can't wait until we destroy them later this week.

[RonMexico]

He didn't want to have to pay his dues in the NBA. Pretty much everybody does it. Manu did it, Parker did it, Dirk did it. They all took their lumps, paid their dues, and went on to be great NBA players. Spanoulis obviously wasn't interested in paying his dues, he wanted the respect of a star player before he became one.

That's a typical Greek at ude. Which is why Team Greece has no current NBA players on its roster.

[DPG21920]

Why the do you keep bringing up Josh Childress........Josh already proved he could play in this league, but went overseas because a dumb team was willing to severly overpay for his services.

Also it's completely re ed to say Vsuck is better than Rafer when he couldn't even get off the bench on the same team Rafer plays on.........all Vsuck did was sit and sulk like a little girl. Rafer has actually put in his time and has earned where he is right now..........Vsuck, hmm not so much. Vsuck wasn't even the shooter than Rafer is, when he was on the Rockets......and that's just plain sad.

Where to start...

I bring up Josh Childress because you keep acting like only players who play in the NBA are good. The Euroleague is a very compe ive league and there are NBA ready players that play there. Just because a player does not play in the NBA or struggled in his first year does not make him suck. You keep saying Spanoulis has not proven anything; he has in Europe.

Your logic is flawed with your: "if the player is good enough, he will get time". I already pointed out a perfect example that disproves that - Beno Udrih. He is now a starter but could not see the floor for the Spurs. Sometimes a coach and player just do not like each other and since the coach controls playing time, he controls the player. Not to mention how hard it would be for a foreign player to move to a new country and the best league in the world and then have your confidence shot by your coach. Just like in Beno Udrih's case, he had no confidence. Does that mean he just all of the sudden got better on the Kings? No. Same player, different environment and now he is thriving.

[rAm]

Where to start...

I bring up Josh Childress because you keep acting like only players who play in the NBA are good. The Euroleague is a very compe ive league and there are NBA ready players that play there. Just because a player does not play in the NBA or struggled in his first year does not make him suck. You keep saying Spanoulis has not proven anything; he has in Europe.

Your logic is flawed with your: "if the player is good enough, he will get time". I already pointed out a perfect example that disproves that - Beno Udrih. He is now a starter but could not see the floor for the Spurs. Sometimes a coach and player just do not like each other and since the coach controls playing time, he controls the player. Not to mention how hard it would be for a foreign player to move to a new country and the best league in the world and then have your confidence shot by your coach. Just like in Beno Udrih's case, he had no confidence. Does that mean he just all of the sudden got better on the Kings? No. Same player, different environment and now he is thriving.

Truth.

[ThunderStix®]

Kill Bill may seem like a whack job but he brings up some legit points. One of them being most rockets fans are re ed.

That being said he does get a little obsessed with players on his team or in the Euroleague in general, but who isn't obsessed with players of their favorite team. That and the Euroleague is rising up the ranks, so you should stop hating.

Fair enough.

[Tmac&Luther]

Where to start...

I bring up Josh Childress because you keep acting like only players who play in the NBA are good. The Euroleague is a very compe ive league and there are NBA ready players that play there. Just because a player does not play in the NBA or struggled in his first year does not make him suck. You keep saying Spanoulis has not proven anything; he has in Europe.

Your logic is flawed with your: "if the player is good enough, he will get time". I already pointed out a perfect example that disproves that - Beno Udrih. He is now a starter but could not see the floor for the Spurs. Sometimes a coach and player just do not like each other and since the coach controls playing time, he controls the player. Not to mention how hard it would be for a foreign player to move to a new country and the best league in the world and then have your confidence shot by your coach. Just like in Beno Udrih's case, he had no confidence. Does that mean he just all of the sudden got better on the Kings? No. Same player, different environment and now he is thriving.

Josh Childress already proved himself in this league before he took the rediculous contract...(we'll be back in the nba as soon as he's done cashing in euros)........THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE, that's the reason why your little comparison makes absolutely no damn sense.

Beno Udrih paid his dues and has also PROVEN HIMSELF IN THE NBA. He didn't get down by having to be a bench player and didn't start crying like a baby back ................THAT'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

I'm not talking about Vsuck the euro player......Vsuck the euro player is a good player. Vsuck the NBA player is nothing more than a emo little , who acted like he was snatched off his mamas . He didn't have the mental (testicular) for ude to make it in this damn league (unlike the players above). He wasn't willing to pay his dues or compete for a job....he just wanted it handed to him.

For people to come in here and get their panties in a twist, because people said Vsuck was a major bust in the NBA (which he was) and then want to point to what he's done/doing overseas or compare him to successful/established players in this league is so completely assbackwards and retarted......it makes no sense.

even Luis Scola (a proven vet and former euro MVP) didn't get handed a starting job........did he cry like a emotional little .....no he didn't. Instead he paid his dues, shut his damn mouth, and put in his work.......like every damn player has to do, what the makes Vsuck so special?

Vsuck has nobody to blame (not even JVG) for his NBA failures, but himself....he's the one to blame, because he wasn't willing to work or fight for a spot on a NBA roster.

[DPG21920]

Josh Childress already proved himself in this league before he took the rediculous contract...(we'll be back in the nba as soon as he's done cashing in euros)........THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE, that's the reason why your little comparison makes absolutely no damn sense.

Beno Udrih paid his dues and has also PROVEN HIMSELF IN THE NBA. He didn't get down by having to be a bench player and didn't start crying like a baby back ................THAT'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

I'm not talking about Vsuck the euro player......Vsuck the euro player is a good player. Vsuck the NBA player is nothing more than a emo little , who acted like he was snatched off his mamas . He didn't have the mental (testicular) for ude to make it in this damn league (unlike the players above). He wasn't willing to pay his dues or compete for a job....he just wanted it handed to him.

For people to come in here and get their panties in a twist, because people said Vsuck was a major bust in the NBA (which he was) and then want to point to what he's done/doing overseas or compare him to successful/established players in this league is so completely assbackwards and retarted......it makes no sense.

When did Beno prove himself? This year. He did not do anything while he was with the Spurs. Spanoulis had one year with the Rockets. Only people who do not know basketball judge players on their first year.

[DPG21920]

Beno did get down about not playing, which is why we all saw him partying his ass off in San Antonio every week and not caring anymore.

How can a guy prove himself in the NBA in just one year? You have to get minutes, be in the right environment and play multiple years in order to prove yourself.

[DaDakota]

He didn't want to have to pay his dues in the NBA. Pretty much everybody does it. Manu did it, Parker did it, Dirk did it. They all took their lumps, paid their dues, and went on to be great NBA players. Spanoulis obviously wasn't interested in paying his dues, he wanted the respect of a star player before he became one.

This is mostly true, the difference in all those players is that they played for a coach that was on firmer ground with his organization and understood there was going to be some lumps as they grew.

JVG was in a contract year....and was in win now mode.....and Pop frankly is a much better coach....

So, you have the case of a coach who is unwilling to take a risk on a player who by his very basketball nature is a risky type of player.

It was just a round peg in a square hole.

Truthfully, if V-Span came back to the Rockets (not going to happen) Rick Adelman is the perfect type of coach for him.

He is a guy who started Jason Williams.....a guy who is willing to live with a high risk/high reward type of player and not yank him for every single mistake.

Popovich is similar, though he yanks em.....he puts them back in.....JVG....yanks....and buries em.

Only people who do not know basketball judge players on their first year.

This should be HIGHLIGHTED......lots of players sucked their first year...lots....people making snap judgements are just not thinking it through.

DD

[Tmac&Luther]

When did Beno prove himself? This year. He did not do anything while he was with the Spurs. Spanoulis had one year with the Rockets. Only people who do not know basketball judge players on their first year.

Is this really your response........what a damn joke. The only reason why Vsuck HAD one damn year is because he dragged up and ing quit. So please don't throw out this garbage.."Only people who do not know basketball judge players on their first year."

I can't stand a quitter.....that's what Vsuck is, a quitter. I'm so happy we were able to trade his contract for a fighter and a gamer which Scola is.

[Tmac&Luther]

Popovich is similar, though he yanks em.....he puts them back in.....JVG....yanks....and buries em.

Give me a freaking break.....if that was true, Luther Head and Chuck Hayes would never of been able to get their asses of the bench. JVG is hard on his players, because he wants/tries to build a mentaly tough team (it had absolutely nothing to do with him being in a "contract year" like your trying to say......that's absolute B.S.).

JVG pushes his players and makes them earn minutes.....if they don't want to play hard and fight for minutes in pracrice (Bonzi and Vsuck) then they won't get minutes..........and I have no problem with that. Give the minutes to the guys that earn them in practice, if Vsuck would've put in his time, he would've got time.......instead he spent most of that time crying to the local media.

[rAm]

Is this really your response........what a damn joke. The only reason why Vsuck HAD one damn year is because he dragged up and ing quit. So please don't throw out this garbage.."Only people who do not know basketball judge players on their first year."

I can't stand a quitter.....that's what Vsuck is, a quitter. I'm so happy we were able to trade his contract for a fighter and a gamer which Scola is.

He might be a quitter, but maybe he quit because he realized the team he was playing for would never get out of the first round.

[Tmac&Luther]

He might be a quitter, but maybe he quit because he realized the team he was playing for would never get out of the first round.

lamo

[DPG21920]

Its true, people who do not know basketball do not understand that it takes time to grow. Not to say that given minutes everyone can play, but it is just lame to watch a guy like Spanoulis play and then judge him after one year in one of the hardest transitions to make in all of sports. I have already given you plenty of examples that disprove your logic and all you reply with is obscure opinions (Vsuck and Euroleague sucks and he goes to cry in his moms chest). I reply with facts, such as Beno being in the same situation and Childress leaving to play in that "suck" league and Rafer's shooting percentage and scoring in his first year. It is very obvious. It does not make you a bad person, it just means you are a fan of your team and do not understand certain things about the game. There are basketball fans and fans of basketball teams, you are the latter.