VSpan looked good for Greece

[DPG21920]

Give me a freaking break.....if that was true, Luther Head and Chuck Hayes would never of been able to get their asses of the bench. JVG is hard on his players, because he wants/tries to build a mentaly tough team (it had absolutely nothing to do with him being in a "contract year" like your trying to say......that's absolute B.S.).

JVG pushes his players and makes them earn minutes.....if they don't want to play hard and fight for minutes in pracrice (Bonzi and Vsuck) then they won't get minutes..........and I have no problem with that. Give the minutes to the guys that earn them in practice, if Vsuck would've put in his time, he would've got time.......instead he spent most of that time crying to the local media.

Have you ever coached or managed people? I am asking seriously. There is no "universal" method to coaching. All players are different. Some respond to hard ass coaches and some do not. Being a good coach is being consistent in your message of what you are looking for and then getting the most out of your players. You want to push players and challenge them, but you have to have "touch" or finesse as well. Certain players you can push harder than others.

[Tmac&Luther]

Its true, people who do not know basketball do not understand that it takes time to grow. Not to say that given minutes everyone can play, but it is just lame to watch a guy like Spanoulis play and then judge him after one year in one of the hardest transitions to make in all of sports. I have already given you plenty of examples that disprove your logic and all you reply with is obscure opinions (Vsuck and Euroleague sucks and he goes to cry in his moms chest). I reply with facts, such as Beno being in the same situation and Childress leaving to play in that "suck" league and Rafer's shooting percentage and scoring in his first year. It is very obvious. It does not make you a bad person, it just means you are a fan of your team and do not understand certain things about the game. There are basketball fans and fans of basketball teams, you are the latter.

I've already said Vsuck is a good Euro player, but Vsuck the NBA player was a bust. What the do you not understand about that?

There is nothing about the above statement that you can even argue with.......and don't give me this "one year" crap, the reason why he was only in the league for one year, is because he quit.........he ing quit. Only idiots would be saying the guy was a good NBA player.

[rAm]

I've already said Vsuck is a good Euro player, but Vsuck the NBA player was a bust. What the do you not understand about that?

There is nothing about the above statement that you can even argue with.......and don't give me this "one year" crap, the reason why he was only in the league for one year, is because he quit.........he ing quit. Only idiots would be saying the guy was a good NBA player.

He might not have been a good NBA player, but maybe that's because he was on a team that can't ever get out of the first round.

[Tmac&Luther]

Have you ever coached or managed people? I am asking seriously. There is no "universal" method to coaching. All players are different. Some respond to hard ass coaches and some do not. Being a good coach is being consistent in your message of what you are looking for and then getting the most out of your players. You want to push players and challenge them, but you have to have "touch" or finesse as well. Certain players you can push harder than others.

There's not many coaches in the NBA that's going to bend down and wipe Vsuck's (a freaking rookie) ass. Sorry, it aint happening. Coaches (almost all of them) want you to come in and work......especially if there's a starting proven vet ahead of you.

Vsuck wasn't able to do that and that's pretty much the end of his NBA story.......it's not that difficult.

[DPG21920]

I've already said Vsuck is a good Euro player, but Vsuck the NBA player was a bust. What the do you not understand about that?

There is nothing about the above statement that you can even argue with.......and don't give me this "one year" crap, the reason why he was only in the league for one year, is because he quit.........he ing quit. Only idiots would be saying the guy was a good NBA player.

If you can point out at all where I have said he WAS a good NBA player, please post it.

I have clearly stated that you can not judge him by his one year with the Rockets and that he has the basketball skill to be serviceable in the NBA. I have also said that he is better skill-wise than Rafer in every single category of the game. With the exception of ball-handling, maybe.

[DaDakota]

Have you ever coached or managed people? I am asking seriously. There is no "universal" method to coaching. All players are different. Some respond to hard ass coaches and some do not. Being a good coach is being consistent in your message of what you are looking for and then getting the most out of your players. You want to push players and challenge them, but you have to have "touch" or finesse as well. Certain players you can push harder than others.

This is probably the best post in the thread. You can just tell the people that have managed people or teams from others.

Some players/people you have to coddle....others you can grind down and build back up.

DPG, you have made some great points.

Well done sir.

DD

[DPG21920]

Well lets agree to disagree. I am not sure if Spanoulis will ever come back to the NBA, but if he does I am sure he will play well. There are plenty of teams that would welcome him.

[DPG21920]

This is probably the best post in the thread. You can just tell the people that have managed people or teams from others.

Some players/people you have to coddle....others you can grind down and build back up.

DPG, you have made some great points.

Well done sir.

DD

Thanks.

[DaDakota]

I just have a hard time reading people judging a guy over one tough year.

Yes he went home, but so many US players have whined their way out of bad situations, there is nothing different than what V-Span did.

He had some games he stunk, he had some he was average, and he had some where he was outstanding...typical rookie stuff.

If you watch the Olympics and how hard he attacks the basket in the NBA he would LIVE at the FT line with today's rules.

If he decided to come back to the NBA, he would have TONS of suitors.

DD

[RonMexico]

No one doubts that Spanoulis is talented and I thought he would make a bigger splash in the league than he did. He got discouraged and that's probably more of a testament to his weak personality than it is his basketball talent. I watched the guy play a lot (well, as often as he played) because I live in Houston and I couldn't afford NBA League Pass my first year in town. Mostly, he did not adjust quickly to the way NBA officials called the game and a host of other nuances regarding the PG position in the league. Some of this could be JVG's coaching and some of it could be a sense of en lement because he was a star overseas and a lot of it could be an adjustment period that exists for all NBA rookies, especially ones that have to handle the rock primarily.

Naturally, he could have evolved into a quality NBA PG, but the fact remains that he up and quit, so we can only judge him based on one year in the league because that's all he allowed us to see. I mean, Beno still hung around even though he gave himself welcome home parades back in Slovenia.

[Tmac&Luther]

This is probably the best post in the thread. You can just tell the people that have managed people or teams from others.

Some players/people you have to coddle....others you can grind down and build back up.

DPG, you have made some great points.

Well done sir.

DD

Let's look at the players that the horrible JVG didn't pamper/baby, that got buired on his bench shall we..........

Stomile Swift............he's now a former high draft pick bust and is nothing more than a scrub basketball player who's only good for a couple of highlight reel dunks........he also quite possibly has the lowest Bball IQ in the entire league. He's Radio with a basketball and that's a insult to Radio

Bonzi Wells..........a absolute lazy basketball player who's as consistent as the weather down here in Texas.......he's also currently not even on a damn NBA roster.

Vsuck.......a emotional cry baby who like Bonzi Wells is not on a NBA roster even after his contract was traded to the Spurs (new coach that has had success with foriegn players) he still did not want to play in the NBA.

By my count, JVG was 3 for 3.

I'm sure a successful guy like JVG (a coach that's more successful than you are and anyone else on here) knows when and when not to push buttons, but he also isn't going to put up with laziness or a lack of effort.....which is something all 3 of the players above had in common. To lash out at JVG, because Vsuck was a quitter, missed his mommy, and wanted to go play back home is completely stupid and unfair to JVG.

[DaDakota]

Naturally, he could have evolved into a quality NBA PG, but the fact remains that he up and quit, so we can only judge him based on one year in the league because that's all he allowed us to see. I mean, Beno still hung around even though he gave himself welcome home parades back in Slovenia.

A fair enough point, I just don't see it as quitting. He left a bad situation for more money.

I think almost everyone here would do the same.



DD

[spursnatic]

He can stay over in Greece and play for all I care. He only plays like that for his country anyway.

[DaDakota]

I'm sure a successful guy like JVG (a coach that's more successful than you are and anyone else on here) knows when and when not to push buttons, but he also isn't going to put up with laziness or a lack of effort.....which is something all 3 of the players above had in common. To lash out at JVG, because Vsuck was a quitter, missed his mommy, and wanted to go play back home is completely stupid and unfair to JVG.

Wow, so you know that V-span was lazy? LOL- dude you are making stuff up.

JVG is certainly a good coach, what he is NOT is a good judge of talent or a coach that can win the big one, he is too myopic and unbending to take a team to the upper levels.

You just are a hater, you feel he quit. Fair enough.....he certainly went home, I am sure there are people like you in Vancouver who feel that way about Francis, or fans of the Colts who feel that way about Elway, or any other player that whined their way out of a situation that was harmful for their career.

No biggie, it is clear where you are coming from, you are hurt by a players decision to leave for his own betterment...you should be thanking V-Span, he got us Scola......

Bottomline - V-Span can play this game very well, in the NBA or FIBA....and all he needed was time to adjust to the NBA game, and the right system to take advantage of his strengths and minimize his weaknesses.

DD

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Josh Childress already proved himself in this league before he took the rediculous contract...(we'll be back in the nba as soon as he's done cashing in euros)........THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE, that's the reason why your little comparison makes absolutely no damn sense.

Beno Udrih paid his dues and has also PROVEN HIMSELF IN THE NBA. He didn't get down by having to be a bench player and didn't start crying like a baby back ................THAT'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

I'm not talking about Vsuck the euro player......Vsuck the euro player is a good player. Vsuck the NBA player is nothing more than a emo little , who acted like he was snatched off his mamas . He didn't have the mental (testicular) for ude to make it in this damn league (unlike the players above). He wasn't willing to pay his dues or compete for a job....he just wanted it handed to him.

For people to come in here and get their panties in a twist, because people said Vsuck was a major bust in the NBA (which he was) and then want to point to what he's done/doing overseas or compare him to successful/established players in this league is so completely assbackwards and retarted......it makes no sense.

even Luis Scola (a proven vet and former euro MVP) didn't get handed a starting job........did he cry like a emotional little .....no he didn't. Instead he paid his dues, shut his damn mouth, and put in his work.......like every damn player has to do, what the makes Vsuck so special?

Vsuck has nobody to blame (not even JVG) for his NBA failures, but himself....he's the one to blame, because he wasn't willing to work or fight for a spot on a NBA roster.

Scola was never MVP of Europe. But he is very good player.

[RonMexico]

I was actually MVP of Europe.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Give me a freaking break.....if that was true, Luther Head and Chuck Hayes would never of been able to get their asses of the bench. JVG is hard on his players, because he wants/tries to build a mentaly tough team (it had absolutely nothing to do with him being in a "contract year" like your trying to say......that's absolute B.S.).

JVG pushes his players and makes them earn minutes.....if they don't want to play hard and fight for minutes in pracrice (Bonzi and Vsuck) then they won't get minutes..........and I have no problem with that. Give the minutes to the guys that earn them in practice, if Vsuck would've put in his time, he would've got time.......instead he spent most of that time crying to the local media.

Obradovic who is the coach of Panathinaikos make Van Gundy look like Mother Theresa. What you say is crap. Spanoulis play for MUCH harder and more demand coach than Van Gundy and he never complain.

He was have LIES make up about him in media and tell to him by the coach. And when he complain about it he was bench "forever". Van Gundy is Napoleon complex.

[RonMexico]

Obradovic who is the coach of Panathinaikos make Van Gundy look like Mother Theresa. What you say is crap. Spanoulis play for MUCh harder and more demand coach than Van Gundy and he never complain.

He was have LIES make up about him in media and tell to him by the coach. And when he complain about it he was bench "forever". Van Gundy is Napoleon complex.

I just figured it out: KBP is Dikembe Mutombo.

[Tmac&Luther]

He was have LIES make up about him in media and tell to him by the coach. And when he complain about it he was bench "forever". Van Gundy is Napoleon complex.

can we please get a translation.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Let's look at the players that the horrible JVG didn't pamper/baby, that got buired on his bench shall we..........

Stomile Swift............he's now a former high draft pick bust and is nothing more than a scrub basketball player who's only good for a couple of highlight reel dunks........he also quite possibly has the lowest Bball IQ in the entire league. He's Radio with a basketball and that's a insult to Radio

Bonzi Wells..........a absolute lazy basketball player who's as consistent as the weather down here in Texas.......he's also currently not even on a damn NBA roster.

Vsuck.......a emotional cry baby who like Bonzi Wells is not on a NBA roster even after his contract was traded to the Spurs (new coach that has had success with foriegn players) he still did not want to play in the NBA.

By my count, JVG was 3 for 3.

I'm sure a successful guy like JVG (a coach that's more successful than you are and anyone else on here) knows when and when not to push buttons, but he also isn't going to put up with laziness or a lack of effort.....which is something all 3 of the players above had in common. To lash out at JVG, because Vsuck was a quitter, missed his mommy, and wanted to go play back home is completely stupid and unfair to JVG.

JVG have very infamous problems with Oberto and Marcus Camby before. He try to bench Camby because he "cannot play" and Knicks threaten to fire him if he do it. Every year just about he pick 1 or 2 players and just throw them off team to prove he "man of team". He obvious have Napoleon complex.

[Tmac&Luther]

Obradovic who is the coach of Panathinaikos make Van Gundy look like Mother Theresa. What you say is crap. Spanoulis play for MUCh harder and more demand coach than Van Gundy and he never complain.

All Vquit did was complain

[Tmac&Luther]

JVG have very infamous problems with Oberto and Marcus Camby before. He try to bench Camby because he "cannot play" and Knicks threaten to fire him if he do it. Every year just about he pick 1 or 2 players and just throw them off team to prove he "man of team". He obvious have Napoleon complex.

#1, I'm sure JVG's teachings helped make Camby the defensive player he is today

#2 What the have the Knicks done since JVG left. ...........exactly,

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

can we please get a translation.

"I am T-Mac of Greece"

"Billy have his mommy cry and whine all time to Daryl Morey"

"Billy have his mommy with him call and come to Rockets office all time and beg please let my Billy go"


"Spanoulis shoots 1-24 in practice"

"Spanoulis is not trying and is give no effort in practice and refuse to work on game"

"Billy is pouting and complaining and blaming others for his problems"


And many others. LIES from this stupid coach to the fans and media. Spanoulis make it very clear in as that it take much for him to not kick Van Gundy ass.

Worst of all was when he make fun of his sick mother. He have father and stepfather die and his mother try commit suicide. Van Gundy react to this by make fun of him and his mother on radio and then all Rockets fans does same on clutchfans and media reports this craps about him and his "mommy".

If was me I would have beat crap out of Van Gundy. But Spanoulis is nice guy.

[Tmac&Luther]

Bottomline - V-Span can play this game very well, in the NBA or FIBA....and all he needed was time to adjust to the NBA game, and the right system to take advantage of his strengths and minimize his weaknesses.

DD

Good players find ways to fit in any system...........and as far as me thanking Vsuck for helping us get Scola, trust me I do everytime I watch Scola play. I don't hate Vsuck, but unlike you I'm not going to sugar coat the crap either. The guy quit plain and simple.........and it wasn't because of JVG, he would've quit on alot of coaches in this league, he's a quitter, it's what they do. (and yes, I can call Vsuck a lazy player, bucause quitting is laziness) It was pretty damn obvious he didn't want to have anything to do with the NBA.

[Tmac&Luther]

"I am T-Mac of Greece"

"Billy have his mommy cry and whine all time to Daryl Morey"

"Billy have his mommy with him call and come to Rockets office all time and beg please let my Billy go"


"Spanoulis shoots 1-24 in practice"

"Spanoulis is not trying and is give no effort in practice and refuse to work on game"

"Billy is pouting and complaining and blaming others for his problems"


And many others. LIES from this stupid coach to the fans and media. Spanoulis make it very clear in as that it take much for him to not kick Van Gundy ass.

Worst of all was when he make fun of his sick mother. He have father and stepfather die and his mother try commit suicide. Van Gundy react to this by make fun of him and his mother on radio and then all Rockets fans does same on clutchfans and media reports this craps about him and his "mommy".

If was me I would have beat crap out of Van Gundy. But Spanoulis is nice guy.

I guess Vsuck was also in on the act as well, becuase he was the one talking to the media.

So now not only is Vsuck a quitter........he's also a liar too huh?