Um, we're talking superpowers here illiterate boy. There's only been a handful of those in your time frame:
USSR (way more violent than America)
Germany, twice (WWII, WWI)
Then you're back to the Colonial Days, and what America has done in her limited lifespan doesn't have a thing on Colonial France, England, and Spain.
USA has only been a superpower since WWI, and essentially every war we have fought in has been because we came to the aid of an ally (save GWII).
Civil War: US was not a superpower, and was fighting itself
Indians? Not a superpower
WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, all assisting our allies.
Afghanistan in reponse to 9/11, an attack on our own soil you dumbass.
Iraq (GWI) was a UN multinational effort in defense of Kuwait.
About the only legitimate war we've instigated is Iraq the second time around.
Seriously, read a ing history book or something.
Yeah, we should have invaded Japan and killed everyone on the entire ing island. That would have definitely made us less violent.we are the only superpower to use the atomic bomb on enemy civilian population. I think that pretty much disqualifies us as the "least violent" superpower in history.
Disagree Take the blinders off and see reality. Don't make claims when the facts support that the US gets involved in wars every 30 years. America does not ride the white horse nor is it any more noble in any way.
The US has only been a superpower militarily really since around WWII about the time they got the Abomb.
Or because every world power was demolished militarily and economically save Russia and the USA.
thanks for completely missing the point.
the point is that no matter the reason(self protection), USA has employed the ultimate violence (period) so it cannot be called the least violent empire.
use logic for a change.
Blinders? You're the one saying WWI and WWII were examples of the U.S. running amok over the world. We had to be dragged into both conflicts. Are you pissed that we get involved? Would you rather be speaking German right now? Or Japanese.
Forget blinders, you either don't know about world history or are wearing the biggest pair of blinders on the forum
I'm using plenty of logic. Some are arguing on here that we're a violent superpower running around the world jacking everyone up because we can.thanks for completely missing the point.
the point is that no matter the reason(self protection), USA has employed the ultimate violence (period) so it cannot be called the least violent empire.
use logic for a change.
I'm not a violent person by nature, but if you break into my home you're going to get acquainted with my 12 gauge in a hurry. Using your logic, I would be a violent person should I happen to kill the intruder. But that's different from me wandering down the street shooting people because I have a gun.
You seem to have problems comprehending this.
No, the ultimate violence would have been bombing the out of the Japanese long after they surrendered (for an unprovoked attack on our soil and civilians), landed our troops on their shores, annihilated their cities, raped their women, enslaved their population, and took over the country. We would have had the mandate of the world to do so too, after what they did at Pearl Harbor, and for siding with the Axis Powers in WWII.thanks for completely missing the point.
the point is that no matter the reason(self protection), USA has employed the ultimate violence (period) so it cannot be called the least violent empire.
use logic for a change.
That is the standard that EVERY world power before the America has set. Please show me one that hasn't?
Oh, that's right. No one has been able to refute my statement yet. You're just all trying to redirect the argument because you cannot answer the question.
Really? So that's worse than what the Nazi's did, systematically exterminating 6 million Jews? That's "more violent" than what Stalin did, directly resulting in the deaths of 9 million people of the Soviet Union? Those were the countries that Japan supported. Yeah, you're right. We should have invited them over for tea to promote peace.ultimate violence (period)
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So if I can find at least one other country that has been involved in more conflicts, you are full of on this one?
Ooooh.
You make it too easy.
Let's try, say Russia.
Starting in 1850, a list of wars and major conflicts engaged by Russia:
Crimean War
Caucasus Expansion
Russo-Turkish War
Russo-Japanese war
Polish Rebellion
WW1
Polish-Soviet War
Occupation of the Baltic states
WW2
Hungarian Uprising
Afghanistan
Chechnya
Etc
etc
etc
Lest you think that the tame powers of western europe were not doing anything, you might want to look into the numerous colonial wars and rebellions during the last 150 years.
Wanna try that statement again?
Stupid is as stupid does - it's not like the U.S. couldn't see that one coming it's just that our own 'intelligence' (an oxymoron for sure but bear with me) took their eyes off the ball because they thought they could continue to control the Mujahadeen, the Pakistani ISI and the Taliban by bribing them with drug money...
"Secretary of War Stimson, visiting my headquarters in Germany, informed me that our government was preparing to drop an atomic bomb on Japan. I was one of those who felt that there were a number of cogent reasons to question the wisdom of such an act. ...the Secretary, upon giving me the news of the successful bomb test in New Mexico, and of the plan for using it, asked for my reaction, apparently expecting a vigorous assent.
During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of 'face'. The Secretary was deeply perturbed by my at ude..."
-Dwight D. Eisenhower
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