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9 out of 10 past Presidents would agree - Thomas is weak...
surprised, at least i didn't see, that the forum that Rick Warren held with the candidates on saturday hasn't been played out here, yet. anyway, i'll first start it off with this statement i heard Obamessiah say. first i had to read the transcript to confirm if i heard wright. i was wright indeed. here it goes.
WARREN: OK. The courts. Let me ask it this way. Which existing Supreme Court justice would you not have nominated?
OBAMESSIAH: That’s a good one. That’s a good one. I would not have nominated Clarence Thomas. [ applause ] I don’t think that he - I don’t think that he was as strong enough jurist or legal thinker at the time for that elevation, setting aside the fact that I profoundly disagree with his interpretations of a lot of the Cons ution.
Did He just try his hardest to say that Clarence Thomas was very
inexperienced for the job he was nominated for? hmmmmmmmmmm. Time to
get the Ol' "pot" and "kettle" name tags.
9 out of 10 past Presidents would agree - Thomas is weak...
I didn't see the word inexperienced anywhere. I read it as Obama calling Clarence Thomas a stupid judge, not an inexperienced one. He wasn't implying that with more experience, Clarence Thomas would someday become a better jurist or reader of the cons ution. Rather, he was implying that Clarence Thomas didn't know jack regardless of experience, or inexperience. And really, I doubt Obama thinks that has changed for Thomas, in spite of all his subsequent years of experience.
And BTW, he's right. Clarence Thomas is a ing re relative to the other 8 justices. Oh if only Bush's insanely stupid and ed up nomination of Harriet Miers hadn't been ridiculed and chased out of Washington on a rail (by a republican house and senate no less). She might have been the only potential justice who could've made Thomas look only halfway dimwitted by comparison.
Last edited by balli; 08-17-2008 at 11:54 PM.
would 9 out of 10 past presidents agree that Obamessiah is experienced for the job he's nominated for? that's what i'm getting at. this thread doesn't have Maytag, Whirlpool, or Kenmore attached to it so there's no need to spin.
So, are you implying that Thomas deserves to be a jurist just because he is African American?
ChumpDumper? is that you?
......Chumpy is Slomo.......or that's the rumor...
This is going to be absolutely devastating for the Obama campaign. He's just completely alienated the four Clarence Thomas-loving Democrat voters.
Obama is experienced as any of the other recent presidents. IYRC, Reagan, Clinton and piece of Dubya were all governors before becoming president. The only exception in terms of longevity in DC being Bush 1- a creature of Nixon if you choose to count that as "good" experience. I don't see how being a governor from Texas, California or Arkansas makes one any more experienced for the presidency than being a Senator from Illinois. Especially since, as a Senator, Obama's dealt with national and international issues as opposed to local & state concerns only. So yeah, in a big way, the "inexperienced" rap when it comes to Obama.
There's no mention of inexperience whatsoever. You might as well accuse Obama of claiming that Thomas is an antelope or a bicycle.I don’t think that he - I don’t think that he was as strong enough jurist or legal thinker at the time for that elevation
No, but for the umpteenth time an Obamaphobic poster on Spurstalk tries to put words in Obama's mouth.
If there was equivalence between being a Supreme Court Justice and being the President, you'd just might have a point.
...but there isn't.
Fail.
Cont.
And you might say, "ballijuana, compared to McCain, Obama's inexperienced."
And it is true, in terms of longevity Obama has less "experience" than McCain. but that is not the same thing as being inexperienced. To use this metaphor; my buddy Pete's got some years on me and has been playing basketball a lot longer than I have, but that doesn't mean I don't him up every time we step on the floor. Certainly Pete has much more "experience" than me when it comes to basketball, but does that make him the better player and does that somehow make me an "inexperienced" basketball player?
Certainly McCain has more longaevitas experientia in the US Senate, but does that automatically mean that he's a better Senator than Barack Obama? And does that make Obama an inexperienced candidate?
And if you want to argue along the lines of life experience and age, let's look no further than the most recent Republican president: His experience includes getting a bunch of ty grades, snorting a lot of blow, bankrupting a bunch of daddy's companies, drinking an ocean of ing alcohol, ruining a baseball team, destroying the good name of Ann Richards in a vile way, finding Jesus in a now proven to be fictionalized walk with Billy Graham, marrying a closet chain smoker and basically eeking through his entire life on daddy's dime and shamefully headed charisma. Yes, the Republican standards for experience are quite lofty, we can all see that.
Did you pull a muscle trying for this reach?
This is why American politics is funny as at times.
the pigs are squeeling.
How can ChumpDumper be Slomo?
CD lives in Austin. Slomo lives in Slovenia.
Ross Perots line from the debates with Bush Sr.:
"I have no experience running up a trillion dollar national debt."
Gee what could Obama tell Oil n War Corp and you his sheep he has "no experience" accomplishing?
This is a badly-timed gaffe by Obama -- anyone who's watched the Court for the last couple of decades knows that there are few jurists who bring the sort of experience and intelligence to the job of judging that Justice Thomas does. From his insightful and frequently-asked questions during oral arguments to his complete independence from pedestrian legal minds like that possessed by Justice Scalia, Justice Thomas is, dare I say, the greatest jurist to don the robe at One First Street.
Obama will rue the day that he defies the commonly-held belief in the judicial greatness of Justice Thomas. This is a HUGE deal that I think will tilt the election and mark the functional end of the Obamessiah's chances to win.
the only thing i'm getting at is obamessiah's audacity at calling someone inexperienced. nothing more nothing less.
here's your prize for playing, amy
That would be a salient point if Senator Obama had questioned the experience of Justice Thomas; it's quite clear that Senator Obama questioned the qualifications of Justice Thomas, not his experience -- that is, Senator Obama didn't question the experience of Justice Thomas unless you choose to take some preordained anti-Obama view of the quotation seeking to create conflict that doesn't exist.
No but The Messiah was slamming him trying to pander to the bunch who are scared he would choose all "blacks" for his administration. See, he wouldn't have choosen Thomas.
Thomas is has been a good judge. You slam him but would defend the idiot Ginsburg.
That would be true if Obama had said anything about the race of Justice Thomas -- and I haven't heard anyone express concern that Obama would appoint "all blacks" to important roles in his Administration and I'm not sure why that would be a concern, so long as the people Obama might appoint for those positions are qualified. (Surely, you aren't suggesting that there aren't enough qualified blacks in this nation to fill an Administration). But, significantly, that "concern" would seem completely unfounded since it sure doesn't sound as if there's much chance that he'll name an African-American to be his running mate -- that would be a bad start to those who might monger fear by suggesting that Obama's administration would be all black.
I'll wait for a long list of the really good decisions -- the landmark rulings -- that have come from the chambers of Justice Thomas.
What is funny about the conservative defense of Justice Thomas is that during the Rehnquist era, the presence of J. Thomas probably pushed centrists like Justice O'Connor and Justice Kennedy further to the relative left of the spectrum and left Rehnquist, Scalia, and Thomas dissenting on major issues far more frequently than they were in the majority.
Last edited by FromWayDowntown; 08-18-2008 at 10:34 AM.
Do you really think he had to say anything about Justice Thomas race?
I feel that was widely known and didn't have to be commented on.
Of course you did -- that's why you felt obliged to comment on it, I guess.
Who is it, again, that's worried about an all black administration -- I honestly haven't heard that concern ever expressed. And why exactly would that be a concern again?
Last edited by FromWayDowntown; 08-18-2008 at 10:41 AM.
xray, stop playing the race card.
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