SpursTalk's Top 50 Spurs
1. Tim Duncan
2. David Robinson
3. George Gervin
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To pass the time until the start of preseason, let's see how SpursTalk.com ranks the Top 50 Spurs. Those eligible for the list include all players, coaches and owners. I don't want to define "top" too narrowly, but I think the best way to do it would be to think of the list as a list of the 50 most influential people who have helped make the Spurs one of the most successful franchises in the history of sport.
For more information on what we are doing, check out this thread.
In this thread, we will vote for spot number four. Please place your vote. If you will, also explain in this thread why you voted how you did.
Thanks.
P.S.
Poll options listed in alphabetical order. If you want to vote for someone not on the list, post in the thread and I'll add the person.
Voting will end 2AM CST Wednesday morning. Please vote only once.
Earlier I was going to vote Drossos here but I'm converted to Pop after reading comments......Pop can sometimes be a bonehead but he was a huge part of four championships and is a lock for hall o' fame. Drossos should be five for sure but Pop at four is fair............six maybe Manu but maybe not have to think some more........hmm
Voted for Pop...
He is behind Duncan the biggest reason for all 4 championships and the best organisation in American pro sports.
Drossos. No question.
He brought basketball to the wilderness and built an elite team from almost zero. Imagine Mark Cuban doing what he did without the money.
It's safe to say that no other Spur, and very few other people period, have made such a lasting impact on the league. Drossos is the major reason for the three-point shot coming to the NBA (which was vehemently opposed by Red Auerbach) and the salary cap. If the criteria is supposed to be "influential", that ends the discussion.
Can we ban the people voting for Manu?
I'm torn between Pop and Drossos. I think both are very deserving of this spot. On one hand, you have the owner who basically ignored common sense and ignored those who wanted his downfall and just forced the Spurs into existence. San Antonio back then didn't really have the capabilities to be the home of a major sports franchise. Heck, San Antonio today can barely survive ... and the only reason for that survival is the salary cap, which Drossos helped ins ute.
On the other hand, Pop is a Hall of Fame coach who will go down as one of the best coaches in NBA history. It's true that he makes mistakes but judging him from 1998 to today, he's been an overwhelming success. On top of that, Pop was a very good general manager and was one of the last people to successfully juggle both coach and GM roles. Then I think he gets a couple extra bonus points for his assistant coaching job during the Larry Brown era.
I'm leaning toward Pop right now because his resume is so impressive. Hall of Fame coach. Fantastic GM. On top of that, he's ins uted a no-nonsense approach to winning and his coaching style of treating everyone the same has arguably been the thing that has allowed the Spurs to have staying power because that takes away chances of chemistry issues between the stars and the role players.
And the cherry on top for me is Pop has never drama queened and has never even hinted at taking another job. Considering he cut his NBA teeth learning from Larry Brown and Don Nelson, that is damn near a miracle. Not only has Pop not tried to go out and get a higher profile job, we don't even hear of his contract negotiations or when he signs contract extension. He just goes about his job without complaint while shying away from the spotlight as much as humanly possible.
I have massive respect for Drossos (in fact I may still be swayed over to voting for him) but right now I'm leaning toward Pop for spot four.
Yeah it'd at least be nice to see one of the Manu Voters make a case for him. Seeing as they've voted him over Tim Duncan, David Robinson and George Gervin, perhaps Manu is indeed the greatest Spur of all-time and I just don't know about it.
Yeah, lets ban anyone who thinks diferent than you... I mean, voting for Manu at 4th... unthinkable!!
I would agree Timmy-DRob >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manu, and voting anything else would be stupid, but at 4th I don't think voting Manu has anything wrong with it.
Regarding making a case for him, there are posters with much better english than me, I was hopping for one of them to do it. But just as a hint, I personally consider players>coaches>owners regarding their value to the team. Pop, as good as he may be, depended on great players like DRob and Timmy to win anything. Of course, my opinion is as personal as it gets, and I'm sure many will disagree.
It has nothing to do with thinking differently, and everything to do with being a complete idiot.
For anyone with an iota of basketball knowledge? Yes.... I mean, voting for Manu at 4th... unthinkable!!
Drossos time.
Then why even vote?
I mean... is clear you know how the list should go, don't waste the time with a senseless voting and just make the damm list.
For the Spot Number 5, just put the correct answer and save us from our own opinions!
Don't try to martyr yourself. Lots of people disagreed with me on Robinson being number 1. That doesn't make them complete idiots.Then why even vote?
I mean... is clear you know how the list should go, don't waste the time with a senseless voting and just make the damm list.
For the Spot Number 5, just put the correct answer and save us from our own opinions!
Voting for Manu #4 does.
Not sure you know what a martyr really is, and I'm quite sure you missed my point... whatever...
You call others idiots, but you act like one... funny.
Also, I'm sure you didn't notice, but by your idiotic logic, timvp is an idiot for even puting Manu on that list as a choice then. I mean... if voting manu in 4th is so clearly stupid, why even put him on the list? Just to insult those who vote him?
@Shoogar
Timvp - ask, and ye shall recieve...
Manu Ginobili injected an element of random, swash-buckling excitement into Spurs basketball that I have never seen before*. With his daredevil style he has become the best European slasher the NBA has seen, and added to that he has will to win on the level of the greats (dare I say Jordanesque?). He was a large part of the transformation from the dour defensive juggernaut that won in 2003 to the multi-flavoured basketball machine of 2005, and the steam-roller of 2007. Moreover, Manu has added to his game over time by first improving his D (less gambling), and then his 3pt shooting and midrange game (although the latter is still a little streaky...). That he is flawed and human, as revealed by the foul heard around the world in 2006, only makes him greater because, unlike Dirk and countless others, he bounced back from that bitter play to win again.
I would have said Pop for all he has done since finally learning to coach in 2003 (kidding - he has always managed egos well, and run his team like a family, which I appreciate), but for me the great players come first - without them there is no game, and no need for a coach. And Manu is a truly unique talent, a rare combination of flare, guts and jedi, and a champion at all levels who plays only to win.
Manu for 4.
*Note: I am too young to judge the Gervin era, which also rules out Silas and Drossos. As for Holt and McComb, once again, it's all about the players for me on this kind of list.
Last edited by RuffnReadyOzStyle; 08-19-2008 at 08:20 AM.
To me, without Angelo Drossos, there is no Spurs.
It might have been easy, in 1976, for Drossos to take the money and run. He could have simply sold out and allowed a different ABA team to be part of the merger -- the owners of the Spirits of St. Louis did exactly that. But he didn't and ended up giving San Antonio the gift that keeps on giving. Beyond that, Drossos became a steward to the needs of small market teams and, through his efforts, ensured that a team could stay in San Antonio and be viable (at least on the court) because of rules that level the playing field. In the years that have followed, the franchise that he created has been able to develop a culture of winning, manifested by its 4 championships, its 10 appearances in the conference finals, and its 15 division crowns and 28 playoff appearances. More than that, even, the consistency of the operation that Drossos made happen is evidenced by the fact that his team has the 2nd best aggregate winning percentage in NBA history and the 2nd most playoff wins of all franchises since the merger. All of that from a team that operates in one of the smallest markets in pro sports, in an era in which the disparity between big markets and small is greater than ever.
To be sure, the Spurs have been fortunate in a number of ways that have made all of the above happen. But none of it would have been possible without Drossos and other than the 3 superstars who've toiled for the franchise and have made the Spurs viable on the court, I can't imagine that anyone has truly been more important to the Spurs' history than Angelo Drossos.
No Drossos, no Spurs.
You had no point. You tried to make it seem like I was infringing on your right to have an opinion, when I was doing no such thing. I was just calling that choice idiotic.
Idiot flypaper.Also, I'm sure you didn't notice, but by your idiotic logic, timvp is an idiot for even puting Manu on that list as a choice then. I mean... if voting manu in 4th is so clearly stupid, why even put him on the list? Just to insult those who vote him?
Number 4 should be Drossos or Pop. I don't know Drossos enough to judge which one should be number 4. i won't vote for this one unless another guy threat them to get the 4th spot.
And if people want to vote for a player at number 4, vote for Parker and not Ginobili. Both have been very close since 2005 but Parker was significantly better than Ginobili in 2003.
Anyway, given the wild love for Manu on this board, I don't expect people to be logical and we will see non-sense on this list like Manu above Tony. Two years ago, I would have been pissed at that, now it just makes me laugh.
finally my vote for Drossos will make an impact:LOL but it's a no brainer for me that he HAS to go here.
i wanted Pop to be #3... so now he got my Vote...
Agreeing with 1-3 and the probable 4, I'm guessing I'm about to diverge. Several Spurs that are nearing the top for me are not yet on the list. Different strokes for different folks. Please consider adding:
Alvin Robertson
Artis Gilmore
Avery Johnson
Doug Moe
Saying that anyone voting for Manu as Number 4 should get banned and that they are all idiots no matter what is not trying to infringe their right to have an opinion... sure...
I voted for Pop.
It was not an easy selection for me because of the people nominated with Pop, I like several of them better than him.
However, Pop has been a crucial part in forming, training, and leading many successful Spurs squads, so fairness demanded that I vote for him.
I nominate FWD to be in charge of completing Drossos' Wikipedia page, which as of right now is severely lacking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelo_Drossos
I voted for Manu.
I completely understand everything Pop and Drossos have meant to this organization, and have an appreciation for that. But without Manu Ginobili, the Spurs are three championships less than they are now. There is no dynasty, there is no legacy, and there's probably a legitimate argument for David Robinson being the best Spur of all time.
That being said, I'll probably vote for Tony Parker as number 5.
Pop ahead of Manu 27-9? No way.
I guess Pop should have been voted ahead of Tim Duncan then.
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